View Poll Results: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

Voters
92. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    35 38.04%
  • No

    57 61.96%
Page 21 of 40 FirstFirst ... 11192021222331 ... LastLast
Results 201 to 210 of 395

Thread: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

  1. #201
    Professor

    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Texas
    Last Seen
    11-27-17 @ 09:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    1,907

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    And they always say enough is enough when the other guy is in office.
    Can't argue here, that's why Tea party groups formed. Too many "conservative" republicans become "crony capitalists" or "progressive" republicans when they get their hands on a checkbook. Hopefully the Tea Party republicans will prove to be more consistent when they have the chance to hold the checkbook.

  2. #202
    Traveler

    Jack Hays's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Williamsburg, Virginia
    Last Seen
    Today @ 12:41 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    55,907
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    IMHO it is both irresponsible government and stupid politics to shut down the federal government and/or default on the debt over Obamacare. Is it an incoherent mishmash, likely to fail in many ways? Yes. But it is the law of the land, already passed and signed into law. Let it take effect, then campaign against it. That's why we have elections. The Repubs' current actions let BHO off the hook and shift focus from Obamacare implementation to Repub infighting.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

  3. #203
    On Vacation
    joko104's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    12-26-17 @ 12:12 AM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    31,569
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Keep believing whatever makes you happy.
    And keep denying realities you don't like.

    Declaring one or the other political parties is going to cease to exist is not only pointless and attempted derailment of any topic, it is also intellectually lazy.

  4. #204
    Sage




    Join Date
    May 2013
    Last Seen
    Today @ 03:34 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Progressive
    Posts
    12,579

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Can't argue here, that's why Tea party groups formed. Too many "conservative" republicans become "crony capitalists" or "progressive" republicans when they get their hands on a checkbook. Hopefully the Tea Party republicans will prove to be more consistent when they have the chance to hold the checkbook.
    So far as I can see, the are just garden variety bullies and wannabe terrorists who have no desire to see any reform of health care.

    What I see is tea party is buddy buddy with the very people that through this country off the fiscal cliff and got us into a quagmire of a money pit of a war that we will pay for until out children are dead and buries. They are buddy buddy with the same people who got us into wars with unprecedented war profiteering.

    So please do not talk to me about how they are different.

  5. #205
    Professor

    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    Texas
    Last Seen
    11-27-17 @ 09:08 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    1,907

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    So far as I can see, the are just garden variety bullies and wannabe terrorists who have no desire to see any reform of health care.

    What I see is tea party is buddy buddy with the very people that through this country off the fiscal cliff and got us into a quagmire of a money pit of a war that we will pay for until out children are dead and buries. They are buddy buddy with the same people who got us into wars with unprecedented war profiteering.

    So please do not talk to me about how they are different.
    Too bad you are indoctrinated and biased, informed by leftist propaganda, I actually had hoped we had found agreement! In addition to being wrong you are also uninformed because there are healthcare reforms that tea party conservatives support, just not reforms that step toward socialized medical care.

  6. #206
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Florida
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 04:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    23,816

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    do you believe that there are no americans who support what the GOP are doing?

    you believe them to be irresponsible because of the position they are taking, however you must know their are others who see them as very responsible, and are glad they are taking the action they are.

    so even though you see it as irresponsible, it is not that way in the eyes of other people.

    as far as i am concerned, in my opinion, they can shut it down and keep it closed until they can understand, how to spend tax payers dollars, according to constitutional law.
    You have a right to your opinion and voters have a right to make those bozo's pay. Oh I forgot..... the bozo's come from gerrymandered districts that make them invincible. Just like the KINGS and Monarchs of old. Since when did the creation of despots not beholding to the people become part of the Constitution? I believe that is what we were rebelling about?

  7. #207
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth where its very Hot
    Last Seen
    11-30-17 @ 01:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,331

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You have a right to your opinion and voters have a right to make those bozo's pay. Oh I forgot..... the bozo's come from gerrymandered districts that make them invincible. Just like the KINGS and Monarchs of old. Since when did the creation of despots not beholding to the people become part of the Constitution? I believe that is what we were rebelling about?

    well your correct, it will all pay out in the election.

    why, why why?.....do you and others feel that because what one side is doing is wrong, and act as though everyone supports that position.

    you must know that there are millions of people who support what the republicans are doing.

  8. #208
    Sage

    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    Florida
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 04:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    23,816

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well your correct, it will all pay out in the election.

    why, why why?.....do you and others feel that because what one side is doing is wrong, and act as though everyone supports that position.

    you must know that there are millions of people who support what the republicans are doing.
    This country functions on a majority rules system, it doesn't matter what even 10 million out of 300 million want. They are not the majority.
    Not many of them have a clue what it will cost the country either. Even when they are not in power they insist on wasting money and trying to cra****he economy.
    You are happy about billions wasted and weakening our economy? Thomas Jefferson would be so proud of you....

  9. #209
    Sage
    German guy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Berlin, Germany
    Last Seen
    08-24-17 @ 06:57 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    5,187

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Here's a rather frightening article about the repercussions of a credit default:

    Wall Street to GOP: Are you nuts? - Ben White - POLITICO.com

    "A brief shutdown would have some negative economic effects and could create political blowback on the GOP. But it would cause far less long-term damage than a default, which would likely send interest rates sky-rocketing, crush the stock market, devastate business and consumer confidence, and probably send the nationís economy hurtling back into recession if not depression."

    Let's say you and your brother go out for dinner. Your brother's behind the wheel. He wants Mexican, and you want Italian. You can't convince him and he can't convince you along the way. As you near a sharp curve, he keeps his foot on the gas and demands you give in to Mexican or he'll drive you both off the road.

    All bias aside, is this not what House Republicans are doing? They had two years in the last Congress to push their ideas. They failed to pass their agenda through the Senate and signed into law by the President. They lost seats in the election. They've had another 9 months to argue their ideas, with even less to show for it. Now that there is no time for debate, they are demanding their ideas be enacted or they will allow a catastrophic default on the US Government's debt.

    Is it out of bounds to demand this when you have not been able to convince your fellow Congressmen to support your ideas when there was time to debate them? Or is using the threat of disaster a legitimate political tool?
    It's absolutely not okay.

    In a republic, there are free elections, and when you've lost, you have to recognize that. Being a good loser is as important as being a good winner. Obama has clearly won the election and thus has a mandate for his reform plan. Not acknowledging that is a kick in the face of that majority. They should rather seek a compromise that respects the majority decision, instead of clinging to a hardcore 100% opposition in favor of their minority opinion.

    It's also important that the different parties respect each other enough to rather see the other as a competitor, not an enemy.

    In this case, the Republicans are placing ideology and their own party above the country. That's neither commendable, nor is it acceptable in a democratic republic. This attitude divides the country and might even destroy it. IMO.

    As a German, I cannot help but remember that this kind of BS, republican parties that placed party and ideology above the country, was a major reason for the failure of the Weimar Republic. People turned away in masses from republican parties that couldn't agree on **** and kept blocking each other. We all know how that ended.
    Last edited by German guy; 10-01-13 at 12:53 AM.
    "Not learning from mistakes is worse than committing mistakes. When you don't allow yourself to make mistakes, it is hard to be tolerant of others and it does not allow even God to be merciful."

  10. #210
    Mixed Government advocate
    Master PO's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2012
    Location
    93,000,000 miles from Earth where its very Hot
    Last Seen
    11-30-17 @ 01:52 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    31,331

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Not many of them have a clue what it will cost the country either. Even when they are not in power they insist on wasting money and trying to crashi the economy.
    You are happy about billions wasted and weakening our economy? Thomas Jefferson would be so proud of you....

    i am pointing out that there are millions of people who support what the republicans are doing, you can discount them, however they are there making their presence known.

    so i am trying to dispel this notion, that the nation is against them, when it is not, they have plenty of people on their side ......as you have on yours.

Page 21 of 40 FirstFirst ... 11192021222331 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •