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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Even MSNBC admitted that republicans have moved away from their original position. All the Senate has done this entire time is reject everything the house has tried and offer up nothing in return.
    After months of one terrorist type position, they all of a sudden have a kum-bay-yah moment?


    If this was the Dems doing this to the Republicans...where would your trust level be.

    NO matter what they say...eith this crew it is all about Obamacare go away.

    Well, healthcare in this country (especially for the working poor) has been broken for decades. Why all of a sudden would Repblicans offer any constructive compromise now?

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Greetings, Pero. I worry about the long term effect on our citizens of the relentless, near universal display of irresponsibility by our political class.
    When enough people say enough, things will change. It's happening all over the world, and with the American spirit of "I've had it, and I've taken all I'm going to," it might happen here. The people are watching what's going on in DC, and they are fed up with the childish behavior of our elected officials, and they are getting more and more disgusted with fingerpointing, instead of the cooperation that's needed to tackle our many problems, not the least of which is our ever-increasing debt load, which will affect us all!

    Good evening, Jack.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    The thing is pol, you can have a ballot box revolution. But whom do you vote for? You're not voting for the person so much anymore as to a political agenda of both major parties. I do not think the majority of Americans like either parties agenda. I just posted Gallups political party affiliation and independents, those who dislike both parties are far in the lead over those who identify with the Republicans or Democrats. A charismatic third party candidate might stand a chance come 2016, if we are still around and he is rich like Perot was and willing to fight the political machines the two major parties have thrown up to protect themselves from any third party becoming viable.

    It just seems to me, the American people are the ones getting lost in this political party agenda gamesmanship being played out in Washington. As far as I am concerned, a pox on both parties.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    When enough people say enough, things will change. It's happening all over the world, and with the American spirit of "I've had it, and I've taken all I'm going to," it might happen here. The people are watching what's going on in DC, and they are fed up with the childish behavior of our elected officials, and they are getting more and more disgusted with fingerpointing, instead of the cooperation that's needed to tackle our many problems, not the least of which is our ever-increasing debt load, which will affect us all!

    Good evening, Jack.
    Good evening, Polgara.

    As usual, you have it right.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    More budget cuts to the military. Sounds good to me.
    While I also believe in cutting some funding to the military, it is coming out of the wrong places. I'll give you an example of how things end up costing more anyway:

    At The Basic School (our school for freshly commissioned Lieutenants), they used to have 110 Marines manning the motor transport section. Their responsibility is to transport Lt's in tactical vehicles to various firing ranges, land navigation areas, etc throughout the base. With the cuts coming down, they are now down to 80 Marines and a quarter of the trucks are in disrepair. So what is the solution? Easy. Make the Lt's walk everywhere right? So that is what they have done. Lt's walk to almost every range they go to. Since this has happened, lower extremity and lower back injuries have increased. This leads to health problems. This leads to VA claims. Take someone such as me. I have a foot injury due to logging what I'm sure is more than 30K miles on my legs. Don't believe me? I was a Drill Instructor and the Marine Corps did a study to find out how much we walked each day over the course of one platoon's training cycle. We all wore pedometers. The average came out to 33.4 miles a day. So we walk that for 90 straight days, 8 times over the course of a 2 1/2 year period. Do the math on that.....Anyway, I had to get treatment. It cost more than $30k just to get an MRI, x rays, physical therapy, and custom insoles for my shoes. After all, I have to be ready for the next war right? That $30K could have fixed those trucks couldn't it? It could pay a Marines annual salary to drive one. Instead, we will have the Lt's coming to medical in a few years with the same crap wrong with them as is wrong with me.
    Where money SHOULD be cut is new programs. New vehicles. New aircraft. I think we're good there. Instead, politicians from BOTH sides of the aisle decide to vote for this stuff because A) It makes jobs in the their district and B) They receive campaign contributions from these people.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    they are only being irresponsible, becuase you feel that way. other people do not support your position.

    as to them being punished, that is why they are given only 2 years terms, to keep them closer to the people, if your correct they will be out of office, if your not they will retain their seats.
    Are you saying there is no objective measure of irresponsibility in our representatives and that it cannot be determined through reason who is being irresponsible?

    I have shown who is willing to forego using catastrophe as leverage, and who is more than willing to threaten it, and furthermore seems willing to actually go through with it. Sorry, but I am not sure how you define irresponsible. Give me an objective definition of irresponsible that you agree with and we can look together as to whether these actions would constitute irresponsibility by your definition of the notion. Shall we?
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Sorry, you still don't get to use catastrophe as leverage, whatever your opinion of the functioning of the government. What if Democrats did the same with, say... doubling the minimum wage? I feel very strongly about that, too. Do we get to hold everyone hostage, or is it only Republicans who get to do that?
    There wouldn't be a catastrophic lever at all had the bad spending policies been halted in prior years. However we are here and at some point it is incumbent upon a responsible class of politicians to say enough is enough. To continue capitulating to the overspending is the catastrophe.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    There wouldn't be a catastrophic lever at all had the bad spending policies been halted in prior years. However we are here and at some point it is incumbent upon a responsible class of politicians to say enough is enough. To continue capitulating to the overspending is the catastrophe.
    And they always say enough is enough when the other guy is in office.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    This last March the Dems passed a budget in the Senate which Boner refused to allow deliberation on in the House. Your move.
    All spending bills must originate in the house. check

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Are you saying there is no objective measure of irresponsibility in our representatives and that it cannot be determined through reason who is being irresponsible?

    I have shown who is willing to forego using catastrophe as leverage, and who is more than willing to threaten it, and furthermore seems willing to actually go through with it. Sorry, but I am not sure how you define irresponsible. Give me an objective definition of irresponsible that you agree with and we can look together as to whether these actions would constitute irresponsibility by your definition of the notion. Shall we?
    do you believe that there are no americans who support what the GOP are doing?

    you believe them to be irresponsible because of the position they are taking, however you must know their are others who see them as very responsible, and are glad they are taking the action they are.

    so even though you see it as irresponsible, it is not that way in the eyes of other people.

    as far as i am concerned, in my opinion, they can shut it down and keep it closed until they can understand, how to spend tax payers dollars, according to constitutional law.

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