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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i just gave you what he said...thats all.

    how you phased your words in an earlier post ,can lead people to believe that you stated, he never said the words....train wreck.

    so we are just clearing things up .
    My first post regarding the Baucus quote had the full context. But that was a few pages ago.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Playing with the debt ceiling is just too risky.

    The world isn't that black and white.

    Holding it hostage puts at risk the full faith and credit of the United States, putting in jeopardy not only your economy, but the global one.

    I know people are pissed about spending and how much debt you're in.

    But holding the entire global economy hostage to fix the US deficit is like trying to fight a fire by pouring alcohol on the flames.
    Politically speaking we need to make the Dems and Obama cave, the Republicans have done so enough. It's on them for a default or prevention of funding since they are unwilling to compromise or be reasonable. Enough has to be enough.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Politically speaking we need to make the Dems and Obama cave, the Republicans have done so enough. It's on them for a default or prevention of funding since they are unwilling to compromise or be reasonable. Enough has to be enough.
    The Republicans aren't looking for compromise, they are demanding 100% capitulation, 10 months after losing an election (badly). This shutdown is their baby.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The Republicans aren't looking for compromise, they are demanding 100% capitulation, 10 months after losing an election (badly). This shutdown is their baby.
    Have the Dems offered to go to conference?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The Republicans aren't looking for compromise, they are demanding 100% capitulation, 10 months after losing an election (badly). This shutdown is their baby.
    And honestly they should. They've given enough to the Dems, and the Dems have so miserably failed in stabilizing the budget. They've proven themselves inept and for the sake of the nation need to not jut pass another spending bill without fixing anything and keeping on with their destructive habbits.

    Obama hit the nail on the head in 2006 when he was bashing Bush, and I think it also applies to him today.

    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a Sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. ...Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that 'the buck stops here'. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and Grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better." -Barack Obama.

    Just as he said, the buck needs to stop here only this time the presidential parties have been shifted.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I used to think that the idea of revolution in this Country today was farfetched...now I'm not so sure! I believe most people hate being manipulated and stepped on, and will get behind a leader who advocates fairness for all. And I'm not talking about anyone in DC, either. We have seen how they operate, and they generally can't be trusted. It's happened before with the Bostonians dumping tea in the harbor to prove a point to England, and it can happen again when people get pushed too far, IMO. People will fight back, and that's scary! :
    The thing is pol, you can have a ballot box revolution. But whom do you vote for? You're not voting for the person so much anymore as to a political agenda of both major parties. I do not think the majority of Americans like either parties agenda. I just posted Gallups political party affiliation and independents, those who dislike both parties are far in the lead over those who identify with the Republicans or Democrats. A charismatic third party candidate might stand a chance come 2016, if we are still around and he is rich like Perot was and willing to fight the political machines the two major parties have thrown up to protect themselves from any third party becoming viable.

    It just seems to me, the American people are the ones getting lost in this political party agenda gamesmanship being played out in Washington. As far as I am concerned, a pox on both parties.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The Republicans aren't looking for compromise, they are demanding 100% capitulation, 10 months after losing an election (badly). This shutdown is their baby.
    That much is certain.

    I do not know if it the shutdown is "fair" - fair and politics are strange bedfellows.

    However it is downright stupid and dangerous to do so.

    Frankly it is more akin to terrorism.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    It depends. If you're just negotiation numbers, and you're close, but one side won't compromise, then maybe. But maybe not. But if you're threatening to hurt the country and millions of Americans if you don't get your pony, which was legally given to someone else years ago...that is immoral and not what an ethical politician would do.
    The house republicans have already compromised. The only people that refuse to give anything up is the senate and the president.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The house republicans have already compromised. The only people that refuse to give anything up is the senate and the president.
    Do what we say or else is not compromise.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Do what we say or else is not compromise.
    Even MSNBC admitted that republicans have moved away from their original position. All the Senate has done this entire time is reject everything the house has tried and offer up nothing in return.

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