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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    They should hold it hostage, they should arm twist and force submission, they should not pass another essentially blanket spending bill to allow this to continue on.
    Playing with the debt ceiling is just too risky.

    The world isn't that black and white.

    Holding it hostage puts at risk the full faith and credit of the United States, putting in jeopardy not only your economy, but the global one.

    I know people are pissed about spending and how much debt you're in.

    But holding the entire global economy hostage to fix the US deficit is like trying to fight a fire by pouring alcohol on the flames.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yeah, Washington operates in their own little world. They think us voters are just a necessary evil. Both parties manipulate the voters, districts and everything else to get people to vote for them. Then they do their own thing, their own party thing regardless of what the people think who sent them there in the first place. But then the problem is the people has the power to change things, but they don't. It seems to me the people love being stepped on and manipulated, I suppose that makes them feel good.
    Greetings, Pero. I worry about the long term effect on our citizens of the relentless, near universal display of irresponsibility by our political class.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The only one being intellectually dishonest is you. Baucus made the claim it was a train wreck. Why else give out exemptions and one year extensions to "special groups"? But hey when the truth isn't on your side, resort to petty insults.
    No, he didn't. Baucus NEVER said the bill itself was a "train wreck." You're lying.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So was he also a terrorist?
    When have I called anyone a terrorist?
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Greetings, Pero. I worry about the long term effect on our citizens of the relentless, near universal display of irresponsibility by our political class.
    Yeah, me too. I think Washington has forgotten how to govern completely. Washington is nothing more than party politics instead of governance.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    No, he didn't. Baucus NEVER said the bill itself was a "train wreck." You're lying.

    what he actually says: at time mark 1:50 to 1:56

    Baucus Warns Of 'Huge Train Wreck' Enacting ObamaCare - YouTube

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    what he actually says: at time mark 1:50 to 1:56

    Baucus Warns Of 'Huge Train Wreck' Enacting ObamaCare - YouTube
    Yes, which is what I referred to earlier. The implementation was going to be a train wreck, partly because the implementation budget was gutted six months ago.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Time to make elections mean something.
    yeah we won the house. we control spending Ouch



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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yes, which is what I referred to earlier. The implementation was going to be a train wreck, partly because the implementation budget was gutted six months ago.

    i just gave you what he said...thats all.

    how you phased your words in an earlier post ,can lead people to believe that you stated, he never said the words....train wreck.

    so we are just clearing things up .

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Yeah, Washington operates in their own little world. They think us voters are just a necessary evil. Both parties manipulate the voters, districts and everything else to get people to vote for them. Then they do their own thing, their own party thing regardless of what the people think who sent them there in the first place. But then the problem is the people has the power to change things, but they don't. It seems to me the people love being stepped on and manipulated, I suppose that makes them feel good.
    I used to think that the idea of revolution in this Country today was farfetched...now I'm not so sure! I believe most people hate being manipulated and stepped on, and will get behind a leader who advocates fairness for all. And I'm not talking about anyone in DC, either. We have seen how they operate, and they generally can't be trusted. It's happened before with the Bostonians dumping tea in the harbor to prove a point to England, and it can happen again when people get pushed too far, IMO. People will fight back, and that's scary! :

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