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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Obama will be replaced by another Democrat, maybe one who's a little farther to the left.

    Get ready to deal with that.

    I have no sympathy for the losers on the right who are on the wrong side of every social issue.
    You left the swami hat off of your picture. Politics isn't linear as you seem to believe. It's a pendulum that swings from failed policy to failed policy. We are experiencing eight years of increasing debt, partisanship, failure of leadership both foreign and domestic, increasing loss of liberty and privacy and you believe that this is the coarse that America will choose. Well, good luck with that.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Iquanaman, nothing wrong with closing loopholes but what you fail to recognize is that when doing so it is important to have fair taxation for businesses/ corporations to encourage economic growth. Without it, we have no jobs growth. We continue to have people signing up for welfare benefits. This can not be sustained.
    Hiring has nothing to do with closing loopholes that allow the wealthy to pay a lower % than most of us. I am all for deductions for corporations that HIRE new workers but that is also a no-go with Republicans.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Envy is funny.
    What does envy have to do with anything? I do find it odd though that the Party of bootstrap-lifting, self-reliability and personal responsibility like to vote for the sons of Rich men while criticizing the two presidents we recently had who grew up with single parents and actually did raise themseves up by their own efforts.

    One reason I know that many of you are hypocrites.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Whatever, tell that to the old White men who rule the GOP, and are on the wrong side of every social issue in the USA. I'm not impressed.
    They are beginning to get on the wrong side of the social issues by accepting the same viewpoint that people like you have on them.


    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    When you say this you are spitting in your mother and father's faces. Think about it.

    "A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward." ~ Franklin D. Roosevelt.
    By saying that I spit in the face of EVERY SINGLE AMERICAN. If/when this nation has truly accepted the Leftist Social Agenda, spitting in the faces of Americans will be the kindest thing I can do to them.

    Mr. Roosevelt would have been better off to realize that Conservatives don't find a need to walk forward when they've already found where they wish to be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Comunitee View Post
    "Let us never negotiate out of fear, but let us never fear to negotiate." -- JFK

    Let us never negotiate out of stupidity, but let us never be too stupid to negotiate.
    If you are willing to negotiate on a position, you never believed in it to begin with. It's that simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by Comunitee View Post
    Obama has finally figured it out: For the House Republicans, "Compromise" means, "I get 98 percent of what I want, and you get... me only calling you a Socialist instead of a Communist."
    That would be the fairest version of things I could think of, when I consider this whole situation against the US Constitution.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    This is happening because there is a right and they are tired of what they get from the GOP which is democrat lite.
    If we are lucky what will emerge is a power in government which will fight the dark force of liberalism.


    We have to suffer through eight years of Obama because the GOP saw fit to run a Rino and a manager in successive elections. We are slowly devolving into a country which is no longer exceptional into one that is losing its global ranking in economic freedom, decreasing status globally and not taken seriously by either our friends or enemies. It's time to try something different.
    If the right is tired now, where will it be after the massive demographic change which strongly supports the Democratic Party hits it and the GOP like a tidal wave?

    Think about that a little bit.
    Anyone who depends on luck for success will never succeed.

    Life doesn't work that way.




    "Better days are coming." ~But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 09-30-13 at 12:59 PM.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    They did send it back. In the form of a CR. So the deal is that the GOP needs to get them to move off that by compromising. But as evidenced by Tiggers posts, that's not going to happen with a big chunk of 'principled' TeaPartiers.
    Thats a different bill. We're talking about the budget and appropriations bills that the House passed and the Senate ignored. Months ago. No CR needed if the Senate had done its job. And its been that way for 4 YEARS NOW. The Senate wont consider a single appropriations bill.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    If the right is tired now, where will it be after the massive demographic change which strongly supports the Democratic Party hits it and the GOP like a tidal wave?

    Think about that a little bit.
    Anyone who depends on luck for success will never succeed.

    Life doesn't work that way.




    "Better days are coming." ~But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
    Obamacare is turning into a great fundraising tool. I wouldn't let your mouth overload your ass.

    Emergent Anti-Obamacare Senate Candidate Breaks Fundraising Record in Nebraska
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." Attributed to Alexander Tytler

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    When this is all over with, in the future, there will be no right, and there will certainly be no GOP.

    They have sped up their own demise.

    Not my problem.
    Historically, partisans have predicted the demise of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Both have always been 100% wrong.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Historically, partisans have predicted the demise of the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. Both have always been 100% wrong.



    Don't try to guess what will happen in the future based on what has happened in the past. I certainly don't.

    Did you ever hear of the Whig Party?

    How is it doing in the USA right now?

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Don't try to guess what will happen in the future based on what has happened in the past. I certainly don't.

    Did you ever hear of the Whig Party?

    How is it doing in the USA right now?
    The Whig Party became the Republican Party with the former Whig Abraham Lincoln. Currently, the Republican Party controls the House of Representatives and a majority of state governments. So all in all the Whig Party is doing fairly well.

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