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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Yet the Republicans in the House can't even get their act together to vote on a clean CR...and you expect reasonable negotiations? The GOP has declared themselves to be a body that won't compromise.
    If only that were actually true. The Republicans are mostly making a show of this for political purposes. We all know that eventually this will get passed, and nothing significant will have changed in Obamacare or anything else. If the Republicans were truly a "No Compromise" party, this would have happened years ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    For an example of the mindset, see Tiggers post above. When you have Principles with a Capitol P, you don't negotiate.
    Nobody who has principles negotiates, regardless of the spelling you use for the word. Principles and Negotiations are antithetical concepts.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    under the constitution the congress holds the purse strings.

    and the house is one who holds the greater position for a budget, because the senate cannot pass one if it includes any tax increase.

    if the house is not doing its job, them it is up to the voters to decide their fate in 2014.

    if such a situation is taking place, then democrats should rejoice prepare for next year.
    The only part of what you said that is relevant is the part about them not doing their job properly. They are being irresponsible, and next year should be punished as such.
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Again, you're wrong. They are two completely different pieces of legislation, and two entirely separate things.
    There are two pieces of legislation? As far as I know, there is only one.
    Either way, the two items are related. The country can't pay its bills without money. Since it has no money, it must be borrowed. Unless the debt ceiling is raised, there can be no borrowing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Fail. The House passed an actual budget. You may or may not remember the last time the Senate managed that - it was before we had an iPad. And a "clean CR" is precisely what I described - a way of locking in Democrat's governance as of 2009/2010 as though the 2010 elections never happened.
    They passed a budget they KNEW would be a nonstarter in the Senate. And they have made it clear there will be no compromise. Just look what they did with the last bill, sending another nonstarter to the Senate.
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    Here's something for you read. Maybe it will help you get my POV.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...s_suicide.html
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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    They passed a budget they KNEW would be a nonstarter in the Senate. And they have made it clear there will be no compromise. Just look what they did with the last bill, sending another nonstarter to the Senate.
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    Here's something for you read. Maybe it will help you get my POV.

    The Republican Party, Obamacare, and the government shutdown: The GOP’s suicide strategy.
    Then the Senate should have amended it, and sent it back, so they could conference on it. Instead they just tabled it.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Better to die for what one believes in than to live in a society which has no Principles, Morals, or Values, shrub.

    Better DEAD than RED



    Whatever, tell that to the old White men who rule the GOP, and are on the wrong side of every social issue in the USA. I'm not impressed.




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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Then this nation will no longer have any value, and the last potential bastion of decency in the world will have failed,
    thereby proving that the entire species of humanity has no more value than the variants of the plague virus.



    When you say this you are spitting in your mother and father's faces.

    Think about it.




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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    Nobody who has principles negotiates, regardless of the spelling you use for the word. Principles and Negotiations are antithetical concepts.
    "Let us never negotiate out of fear, but let us never fear to negotiate." -- JFK

    Let us never negotiate out of stupidity, but let us never be too stupid to negotiate.

    Obama has finally figured it out: For the House Republicans, "Compromise" means, "I get 98 percent of what I want, and you get... me only calling you a Socialist instead of a Communist."

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    This is happening because there is a right and they are tired of what they get from the GOP which is democrat lite. If we are lucky what will emerge is a power in government which will fight the dark force of liberalism.

    We have to suffer through eight years of Obama because the GOP saw fit to run a Rino and a manager in successive elections.
    We are slowly devolving into a country which is no longer exceptional into one that is losing its global ranking in economic freedom, decreasing status globally and not taken seriously by either our friends or enemies. It's time to try something different.



    Obama will be replaced by another Democrat, maybe one who's a little farther to the left.

    Get ready to deal with that.

    I have no sympathy for the losers on the right who are on the wrong side of every social issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Then the Senate should have amended it, and sent it back, so they could conference on it. Instead they just tabled it.
    They did send it back. In the form of a CR. So the deal is that the GOP needs to get them to move off that by compromising. But as evidenced by Tiggers posts, that's not going to happen with a big chunk of 'principled' TeaPartiers.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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