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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Wrong. The GOP will join the Whigs. There will be no one to replace.
    No. They're simply becoming the right end of the Democratic Party, which makes them Centrists, by definition.

    At the moment that there is nobody to counter the Leftist/Socialists in the Democratic Party, it's time to burn this nation the ground by whatever means are necessary.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Yet the Republicans in the House can't even get their act together to vote on a clean CR...and you expect reasonable negotiations? The GOP has declared themselves to be a body that won't compromise.
    That's rich since Harry Reid has refused to compromise an both bills the House passed and the President has vowed to veto any changes to ObamaCare. Sounds to me like neither are talking and neither are willing to compromise and calling out only one side and ignoring the other is partisan convenience. The Republicans have no motivation to provide a clean CR - they, like the American public don't like Obamacare. The GOP is framing the 2014 mid-terms.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    No. They're simply becoming the right end of the Democratic Party, which makes them Centrists, by definition.

    At the moment that there is nobody to counter the Leftist/Socialists in the Democratic Party, it's time to burn this nation the ground by whatever means are necessary.




    When this is all over with, in the future, there will be no right, and there will certainly be no GOP.

    They have sped up their own demise.

    Not my problem.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Any militia, or group which thinks (Wishes, hopes, dreams.) That it will go to war against the USA will end up like the South did in the American Civil War.
    Better to die for what one believes in than to live in a society which has no Principles, Morals, or Values, shrub.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    When this is all over with, in the future, there will be no right, and there will certainly be no GOP.
    Then this nation will no longer have any value, and the last potential bastion of decency in the world will have failed, thereby proving that the entire species of humanity has no more value than the variants of the plague virus.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    When this is all over with, in the future, there will be no right.
    Totally. In future, even birds will fly on left wings alone.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    When this is all over with, in the future, there will be no right, and there will certainly be no GOP.

    They have sped up their own demise.

    Not my problem.
    This is happening because there is a right and they are tired of what they get from the GOP which is democrat lite. If we are lucky what will emerge is a power in government which will fight the dark force of liberalism.

    We have to suffer through eight years of Obama because the GOP saw fit to run a Rino and a manager in successive elections. We are slowly devolving into a country which is no longer exceptional into one that is losing its global ranking in economic freedom, decreasing status globally and not taken seriously by either our friends or enemies. It's time to try something different.
    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury." Attributed to Alexander Tytler

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Yet the Republicans in the House can't even get their act together to vote on a clean CR...and you expect reasonable negotiations? The GOP has declared themselves to be a body that won't compromise.

    For an example of the mindset, see Tiggers post above. When you have Principles with a Capitol P, you don't negotiate.
    Fail. The House passed an actual budget. You may or may not remember the last time the Senate managed that - it was before we had an iPad. And a "clean CR" is precisely what I described - a way of locking in Democrat's governance as of 2009/2010 as though the 2010 elections never happened.

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    That's rich since Harry Reid has refused to compromise an both bills the House passed and the President has vowed to veto any changes to ObamaCare. Sounds to me like neither are talking and neither are willing to compromise and calling out only one side and ignoring the other is partisan convenience. The Republicans have no motivation to provide a clean CR - they, like the American public don't like Obamacare. The GOP is framing the 2014 mid-terms.
    The House was in session all weekend but the Senate was nowhere to be found. The President had time to negotiate with Iran but has been unwilling to negotiate with Republicans knowing the House and Senate have been flooded with calls of Americans across this country against this healthcare bill and raising the debt ceiling with no efforts by him or the Democrat Senate to curtail the obscene spending. I agree 2014 is just around the corner.

    Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) on Sunday said that ObamaCare insurance exchanges set to go live this week “are being held together right now with duct tape and chicken wire.”

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    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Yet the Republicans in the House can't even get their act together to vote on a clean CR...and you expect reasonable negotiations? The GOP has declared themselves to be a body that won't compromise.

    For an example of the mindset, see Tiggers post above. When you have Principles with a Capitol P, you don't negotiate.
    Didnt Obama ACTUALLY say 'i wont negotiate?"

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