View Poll Results: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

Voters
92. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes

    35 38.04%
  • No

    57 61.96%
Page 12 of 40 FirstFirst ... 2101112131422 ... LastLast
Results 111 to 120 of 395

Thread: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

  1. #111
    Sage
    Moot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    Today @ 05:15 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    27,471

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Kick over the wall
    cause governments to fall
    how can you refuse it
    Let fury have the hour
    anger can be power
    you know you can use it!
    Don't poop where you eat.

  2. #112
    warrior of the wetlands
    TurtleDude's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    Ohio
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:12 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    180,703

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Romney, Like GWB before him, was born on third base and convinced a bunch of morons that he hit a triple.
    Envy is funny.



  3. #113
    Sage

    vesper's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Midwest
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:43 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    13,884

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "Enacting the provisions" is not the same as claiming the entire bill is a "train wreck." Learn to read. Implementation of the law and the law itself, especially a law this complex are two different things, and especially since APRIL was when the GOP HOR defunded the implementation budget. I realize nuance is something most conservatives don't get, but show a shred of intellectual honesty, please.
    The only one being intellectually dishonest is you. Baucus made the claim it was a train wreck. Why else give out exemptions and one year extensions to "special groups"? But hey when the truth isn't on your side, resort to petty insults.

  4. #114
    On Vacation
    joko104's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    Today @ 04:43 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    31,569
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    It is not the Republicans who are "the hostage takers." Democrats are declaring Republicans must give then unlimited amounts of money or the Democrats in the US Senate will shut down the government and destroy the economy.

    Claiming it is the Republicans who are the hostage takers is absurd. But that is the media hype.

  5. #115
    Sage
    shrubnose's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Europe
    Last Seen
    11-29-17 @ 03:46 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    18,851
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    They would pay an equal price for NOT doing it. Believe it or not there are still some of us who have Principles and who will not vote for those who fail to uphold theirs after having stated them.



    I believe that some people in the Tea Party's 'principles' will cause them to go right over the edge of the Teavangelical's Flat Earth.

    They will get no sympathy from me. I have been warning them about this result for years.

    I will be glad to see them get what they deserve for their stupidity.

    They may not like the results, but they can't say that they weren't warned.




    "Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 09-30-13 at 09:20 AM.

  6. #116
    Quantum sufficit

    Threegoofs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    The birthplace of Italian Beef
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    26,624
    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    As I understand it he was referring to implementation all-together. However, think about the implications of claiming that a program is going to fall apart because enough people won't be draining money from it.
    I see you didn't bother to look at the link I posted.

    Actually, the concept is that higher participation will bring more money into the program. Read a little bit about risk pools and how they relate to health insurance to understand more.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

  7. #117
    Guru
    Cyrylek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Boston
    Last Seen
    02-05-17 @ 01:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    3,467

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    They will pay a price for this.
    I am the last person to underestimate the power of the Democratic spin machine. But the tea party movement-supported Republican Representatives had been elected on the promise to be fiscal conservatives first and foremost. If they give up, and not use all tools at their disposal, they will pay a price for that. Not to mention that, thanks to decades of gerrymandering by both parties, Congressmen from deep red and deep blue districts are safe when they please their constituencies, not when they "moderate" their positions to fit some abstract national average. The calculation is different in the Senate, and especially for the potential presidential candidates. But that is too far in future, and public attention span is notoriously short.

  8. #118
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    New England
    Last Seen
    05-01-14 @ 03:29 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Conservative
    Posts
    12,879

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I believe that some people in the Tea Party's 'principles' will cause them to go right over the edge of the Teavangelical's Flat Earth.

    They will get no sympathy from me. I have been warning them about this result for years.

    "Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
    That's fine. I, like many of them, have no problem bearing the consequences of our Principles. The problem comes when people (like Libs) have no Principles and therefore cannot be expected to act in any predictable (nevermind decent) way.

    As for the GOP... You're right they're running out of time. They have chosen to refuse to back those with Principles and soon will just become the Centrist portion of the Democratic Party while another, more Principled group rises to take their place. The only thing is that group may be a militia/army rather than a political party.

  9. #119
    Sage
    shrubnose's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Europe
    Last Seen
    11-29-17 @ 03:46 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    18,851
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Is it Fair Play to Hold the Debt Ceiling Hostage?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigger View Post
    That's fine. I, like many of them, have no problem bearing the consequences of our Principles. The problem comes when people (like Libs) have no Principles and therefore cannot be expected to act in any predictable (nevermind decent) way.

    As for the GOP... You're right they're running out of time.
    They have chosen to refuse to back those with Principles and soon will just become the Centrist portion of the Democratic Party while another, more Principled group rises to take their place.
    The only thing is that group may be a militia/army rather than a political party.



    Wrong.

    Any militia, or group which thinks (Wishes, hopes, dreams.) That it will go to war against the USA will end up like the South did in the American Civil War.

    The GOP will join the Whigs. There will be no one to replace.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 09-30-13 at 09:26 AM.

  10. #120
    Quantum sufficit

    Threegoofs's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    The birthplace of Italian Beef
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    26,624
    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no one ever said that it does. However, it does control the White House and the Senate. That being said, I note that nothing you posted even addresses much less refutes what I pointed out: that budget negotiations involve actual negotiation, as well as compromise, and so the Administration has been trying to lock in the results of a year when it owned both houses of Congress and the White House in perpetuity by going outside the Budget Process to fund government. Now they are acting shocked to find people demanding compromise and negotiation, and climbing up on donkeys and tilting and windmill monsters, denouncing the very idea of negotiation. How Dare you think we would compromise?!?

    It's childish and its cheap, but there are enough useful idiots in the media and low-information consumers that they will probably get away with it.
    Yet the Republicans in the House can't even get their act together to vote on a clean CR...and you expect reasonable negotiations? The GOP has declared themselves to be a body that won't compromise.

    For an example of the mindset, see Tiggers post above. When you have Principles with a Capitol P, you don't negotiate.
    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

Page 12 of 40 FirstFirst ... 2101112131422 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •