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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    UHC systems vary. Not all of them are like Canada or the UK.
    Can I decide to go without healthcare coverage in any of these countries that have UHC?

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The question when it comes to Romney is can he afford to pay more? We both know the answer to that.
    That's not how we decide taxes. Every American can afford to pay more taxes, the question is WHY? I guarantee you could afford to pay more taxes. Maybe we could downsize your house a bit, make you buy the bargain brands at the grocery store. All so we can funnel more cash in.

    The government is not a black hole of cash sucking up every free penny in our economy. Money belongs to the people who earned it.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    So, out of 5 pages of posts so far, there have been 2 people that would be willing to pay more tax voluntarily (going to specific areas designated in the OP), and only one was liberal, though I doubted that person's sincerity. More or less this has become a debate about the reality of a hypothetical tax...which of course does not make sense.

    So we have learned the following:

    Liberals are not, in fact, more empathetic than anyone else

    Liberals only want to make everyone to pay social charity taxes, as they are unwilling to shoulder extra burden themselves (I'll have a shot of idealism with a splash of authoritarianism please).

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    First of all I couldn't afford 15% additional. If I could I'd rather give directly to charity groups (which I already do, not 15% though). This is for a few good reasons:

    1. Government is inefficient in the way it distributes goods and services.
    2. The use of charitable organizations promotes gratitude, which builds relationships and trust between givers and receivers, however governmental distributions become entitlements that build a climate of expectations and fraud which tears apart communities and creates class divisions.
    3. Charitable organizations tend to be more local and therefore know the needs of the community they serve best.

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Hypothetical kind of a spin off of the thread on reps and dems empathy by aberrant:

    Say the government offered a voluntary tax. One that you could sign up for that would increase your taxes by 15%. The money from that voluntary tax is exclusively used for government funded healthcare, food, and employment programs. This is not a tax applied to everyone, only if you agree to it.

    Would you/could you afford to sign up for it?
    Yes and I would not work for and boycott any Corporation that did not volunteer.

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Yes and I would not work for and boycott any Corporation that did not volunteer.
    I am sure the stockholders would care. I'd file a lawsuit as a stockholder against management if they agreed to such idiocy



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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That's not how we decide taxes. Every American can afford to pay more taxes, the question is WHY? I guarantee you could afford to pay more taxes. Maybe we could downsize your house a bit, make you buy the bargain brands at the grocery store. All so we can funnel more cash in.

    The government is not a black hole of cash sucking up every free penny in our economy. Money belongs to the people who earned it.
    Tax rates are determined by what the individual can afford to pay AFTER spending what they need to live. Those that spend all their income in the economy by definition can NOT afford more taxes and still spend the same. That's why we have progressive taxes, they siphon off unspent income and use it to fund the Govt which spends it in the economy. Taxing income that will be spent is self defeating as the money collected comes straight out of GDP.

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Tax rates are determined by what the individual can afford to pay AFTER spending what they need to live. Those that spend all their income in the economy by definition can NOT afford more taxes and still spend the same. That's why we have progressive taxes, they siphon off unspent income and use it to fund the Govt which spends it in the economy. Taxing income that will be spent is self defeating as the money collected comes straight out of GDP.
    That's exactly what I accused you of believing. Any penny you have extra after buying only what you need to live, belongs to the government. So after you pay for your rent in a wooden shack, and buy enough scrapings to eat, you're covered as to what you need to live. The rest belongs to the state.

    The point is, you're drawing an insanely arbitrary line as to what belongs to someone and what doesn't. You claim every penny you earn you deserve, yet anyone that lives better than you should pay more. Ridiculous.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    That's exactly what I accused you of believing. Any penny you have extra after buying only what you need to live, belongs to the government. So after you pay for your rent in a wooden shack, and buy enough scrapings to eat, you're covered as to what you need to live. The rest belongs to the state.

    The point is, you're drawing an insanely arbitrary line as to what belongs to someone and what doesn't. You claim every penny you earn you deserve, yet anyone that lives better than you should pay more. Ridiculous.
    You may call it ridiculous but in our consumer economy taxing income not spent at a higher rate is how we became the richest nation in the world. The further we stray from that path the worse GDP growth has become.

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You may call it ridiculous but in our consumer economy taxing income not spent at a higher rate is how we became the richest nation in the world. The further we stray from that path the worse GDP growth has become.
    Considering I just suggested you want to tax everyone into poverty (taking away everything but the bare minimum) and you didn't disagree, I don't think we have anything else to discuss.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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