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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Are you saying you want to renounce your citizenship? That's the only way you can avoid paying like the rest of Americans. Actually the meme that conservatives are more "generous" has been disproven time and time again. Even Romney is a skinflint if you take away the 10% tax his religion charges and that IS a tax as it is not optional.
    It seems that more and more citizens are getting the idea that if they don't like some Govt. program they don't need to pay for it. I'm afraid it always has and always will be an all or nothing proposition to be an American Citizen. Either you are one or you are not. So....what are you?
    Well, that's not necessarily true. It IS optional, in the sense that Mitt Romney can always not pay his tithe and tell the Mormon church to go piss up a tree; however, the Mormon church would push voters or contacts away from him if he did. It's a Mutual Back-Scratching Association, there.

    I give money to charity all the time ... generally in small amounts, and certainly not 15% of my take-home income, but after taxes my take-home income isn't very high.
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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Hypothetical kind of a spin off of the thread on reps and dems empathy by aberrant:

    Say the government offered a voluntary tax. One that you could sign up for that would increase your taxes by 15%. The money from that voluntary tax is exclusively used for government funded healthcare, food, and employment programs. This is not a tax applied to everyone, only if you agree to it.

    Would you/could you afford to sign up for it?
    Didn't read carefully enough. So my taxes, and income taxes alone, would go up by 15 percent. Hey, I can handle that, and still give money to charity.
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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You mean like EVERYONE does from their taxes?
    Like 4+ hour waiting periods in emergency rooms, police who are too busy arresting pot heads, and prisons who can't hold them? Or do you mean the public schools that allow illiterates to graduate, poorly maintained road and highway systems, a crippled economy that is causing the number of jobs to go down while the basic cost of living steadily increases? Our taxes aren't going toward benefits, they're going toward burdens that will take at least a century to un****. All while dumping trillions into other nations, whether it be to aid them, arm them, or bomb the ever loving **** out of them, which doesn't benefit us in any way. A lot of it actually harms us, and has severe long term ramifications that will come back to kick us in the ass.
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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Didn't read carefully enough. So my taxes, and income taxes alone, would go up by 15 percent. Hey, I can handle that, and still give money to charity.
    Congratulations, you have won the "bleeding heart backed up by action" award. First person, and not even liberal or progressive, to say you would volunteer this burden. I do admire that you seem to be a person of conviction.

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I think you figured it out. The liberals whine day in and day out about how much higher taxes should be, but they really mean taxes for everyone else. Their idealism goes straight out the window when it's their bank account in jeopardy.



    Since when are taxes all or nothing? You claim very regularly that people other than yourself should pay much higher taxes, both in percentage and net, and they do.
    You seem to forget that income taxes rates have always and always will be based on what the taxpayer can afford to pay. Somehow that simple rule just goes right over your heads. You continue to forget that taxing people who spend all their income in the economy is self defeating as those taxes come right out of GDP. Taxing income not spent is far more efficient in a consumer economy. In other words a progressive tax system maximizes GDP growth. The decline in growth in the last 25 years is a least in part because of the reduction in progressivity of our tax structure.
    The idea that some citizens can opt out of the social contract is ludicrous. Ihe desire to do so and to form a class based society would make our forefathers blood boil.
    Last edited by iguanaman; 09-26-13 at 12:13 PM.

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You seem to forget that income taxes rates have always and always will be based on what the taxpayer can afford to pay. Somehow that simple rule just goes right over your heads. You continue to forget that taxing people who spend all their income in the economy is self defeating as those taxes come right out of GDP. Taxing income not spent is far more efficient in a consumer economy. In other words a progressive tax system maximizes GDP growth. The decline in growth in the last 25 years is a least in part because of the reduction in progressivity of our tax structure.
    The idea that some citizens can opt out of the social contract is ludicrous. Ihe desire to do so and to form a class based society would make our forefathers blood boil.
    They'd be opting out of one service within our society. You can not sit there and tell me that absolutely every single government service MUST be part of a free and prosperous society. There's no reason that some things can't be a la carte.

    And the rich already do pay more than the poor, that's how percentages work. Even if Romney, for instance, paid 13%, that's still millions more than you paid.
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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Taxes aren't a charity, they are an absolute requirement for a functioning nation state. Taxes are raised and lowered according to the political and economic requirements of the nation, not to satisfy emotional nonsense.

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    I would definitely pay more taxes voluntarily! I think I'm going to buy an Obamacare health insurance policy from the exchange, even though I already have great health insurance through my employer, just because it's so ****ing awesome!

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Hypothetical kind of a spin off of the thread on reps and dems empathy by aberrant:

    Say the government offered a voluntary tax. One that you could sign up for that would increase your taxes by 15%. The money from that voluntary tax is exclusively used for government funded healthcare, food, and employment programs. This is not a tax applied to everyone, only if you agree to it.

    Would you/could you afford to sign up for it?
    I'd find a street person to give it to or a homeless family first. On a long, long list of possible recipients, the government would be at the absolute bottom. According to Pelosi, we can't cut anymore. We could send her home and save a few hundred thousand that she isn't worth to start with.

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I'd find a street person to give it to or a homeless family first. On a long, long list of possible recipients, the government would be at the absolute bottom. According to Pelosi, we can't cut anymore. We could send her home and save a few hundred thousand that she isn't worth to start with.
    : But what is a Pelosi, and why does it matter what it thinks? :

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