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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Thought I would have gotten a lot more liberal/progressive "absolutely"s here. I guess paying for social programs is only a good idea if we make everyone do it? This goes along with my theory that liberals are only empathetic from the legislature, but fall short in actually giving, while conservatives are less empathetic from the legislature, but actually give a lot more.
    Are you saying you want to renounce your citizenship? That's the only way you can avoid paying like the rest of Americans. Actually the meme that conservatives are more "generous" has been disproven time and time again. Even Romney is a skinflint if you take away the 10% tax his religion charges and that IS a tax as it is not optional.
    It seems that more and more citizens are getting the idea that if they don't like some Govt. program they don't need to pay for it. I'm afraid it always has and always will be an all or nothing proposition to be an American Citizen. Either you are one or you are not. So....what are you?

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    That's more or less what I thought. Can you post this on Aberrant's thread? He might appreciate this, and from the NY Times is icing on the cake (although it is an op-ed).

    And yeah, kind of like charity. The hypothetical tax is meant to be a sort of "if you care extra, give extra" kind of idea.
    can you give me a link to his thread I make a sport out of making liberals look foolish it is like shooting fish in a barrel

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Are you saying you want to renounce your citizenship? That's the only way you can avoid paying like the rest of Americans. Actually the meme that conservatives are more "generous" has been disproven time and time again. Even Romney is a skinflint if you take away the 10% tax his religion charges and that IS a tax as it is not optional.
    It seems that more and more citizens are getting the idea that if they don't like some Govt. program they don't need to pay for it. I'm afraid it always has and always will be an all or nothing proposition to be an American Citizen. Either you are one or you are not. So....what are you?
    It's a personal hypothetical question. Have they added that word to Florida dictionaries? Also, you're dodging the question by attacking a third party. If you don't want to or can't pay the extra 15% hypothetical (existing only as an idea or concept) tax, that's fine. Know one's judging you (judging eyes).

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Are you saying you want to renounce your citizenship? That's the only way you can avoid paying like the rest of Americans. Actually the meme that conservatives are more "generous" has been disproven time and time again. Even Romney is a skinflint if you take away the 10% tax his religion charges and that IS a tax as it is not optional.
    It seems that more and more citizens are getting the idea that if they don't like some Govt. program they don't need to pay for it. I'm afraid it always has and always will be an all or nothing proposition to be an American Citizen. Either you are one or you are not. So....what are you?
    According to Google’s figures, if donations to all religious organizations are excluded, liberals give slightly more to charity than conservatives do. But Mr. Brooks says that if measuring by the percentage of income given, conservatives are more generous than liberals even to secular causes.

    Conservatives also appear to be more generous than liberals in nonfinancial ways. People in red states are considerably more likely to volunteer for good causes, and conservatives give blood more often. If liberals and moderates gave blood as often as conservatives, Mr. Brooks said, the American blood supply would increase by 45 percent.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/21/op...nce20.com&_r=0

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    can you give me a link to his thread I make a sport out of making liberals look foolish it is like shooting fish in a barrel
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...publicans.html

    Haha. I think there's plenty of foolishness to go around. I just don't like hypocrisy. I have a few liberal friends that exclaim their social virtue, but don't give a dime to anything. and I have conservative friends that despise taxes for social welfare programs, but would give the shirt off their back for someone in need.

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Taxes cannot be voluntary because then they are called contributions.


    State lotteries.

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Are you saying you want to renounce your citizenship? That's the only way you can avoid paying like the rest of Americans. Actually the meme that conservatives are more "generous" has been disproven time and time again. Even Romney is a skinflint if you take away the 10% tax his religion charges and that IS a tax as it is not optional.
    It seems that more and more citizens are getting the idea that if they don't like some Govt. program they don't need to pay for it. I'm afraid it always has and always will be an all or nothing proposition to be an American Citizen. Either you are one or you are not. So....what are you?
    Ah, I should have mentioned that people that elect to not pay the extra 15% tax still pay the same taxes with the same allocations. Not that these social programs are exclusively paid for by those that elect to pay the extra 15%. Again, this is a spin off thread of Aberrant's empathy based thread...for context.

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    No. I'd rather help the people around me then have my money filtered through all these bureaucracies before a little of it actually helps the people in need. And many times simply giving isn't solving the problem.

    This situation isn't exactly hypothetical though. You can donate to the government. But it's easier to be generous with other people's money.

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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Thought I would have gotten a lot more liberal/progressive "absolutely"s here. I guess paying for social programs is only a good idea if we make everyone do it? This goes along with my theory that liberals are only empathetic from the legislature, but fall short in actually giving, while conservatives are less empathetic from the legislature, but actually give a lot more.
    I think you figured it out. The liberals whine day in and day out about how much higher taxes should be, but they really mean taxes for everyone else. Their idealism goes straight out the window when it's their bank account in jeopardy.

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Are you saying you want to renounce your citizenship? That's the only way you can avoid paying like the rest of Americans. Actually the meme that conservatives are more "generous" has been disproven time and time again. Even Romney is a skinflint if you take away the 10% tax his religion charges and that IS a tax as it is not optional.
    It seems that more and more citizens are getting the idea that if they don't like some Govt. program they don't need to pay for it. I'm afraid it always has and always will be an all or nothing proposition to be an American Citizen. Either you are one or you are not. So....what are you?
    Since when are taxes all or nothing? You claim very regularly that people other than yourself should pay much higher taxes, both in percentage and net, and they do.
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    Re: Voluntary Tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    Can I afford it? Yeah. Would I sign up for it? Not unless I'm getting some kind of benefit out of it.
    You mean like EVERYONE does from their taxes?
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