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  • Yes, Democrats are more empathetic

    20 51.28%
  • Yes, Republicans are more empathetic

    2 5.13%
  • Yes, and that's a good thing, people should look out for themselves, others will for themselves

    4 10.26%
  • No, there is no empathy gap

    13 33.33%
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    Re: Is There an Empathy Gap Between Democrats and Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    When it comes to pretty much every social issue, the conservative stance is entirely rooted in selfishness and a lack of empathy. The idea is "that doesn't work for me, so it can't work for anyone". That's homophobia, misogyny, racism, and religious bigotry in a nutshell. And when it comes to a lot of economic issues, sometimes it comes from genuine skepticism about whether or not we can afford things, but it is mainly a matter of "I don't want my tax money going to things that will primarily help people who aren't me".

    The modern conservative movement is almost entirely based on a lack of empathy. It is about the white, male, Christian, heterosexual, rural and suburban, non-lower class getting theirs and maybe sharing if it benefits them, such as with women they view as "their women", or sometimes their own kids who come out of the closet. Exclusivity and "other"-ness are basically all that conservatism has to talk about. How bad the other people are and how they don't deserve to share this amazing country with conservatives. They're extremely lucky that liberal minded people are inclusive, even to our selfish neighbors. But they are wrong, and we're tired of listening to them whine about how much better they are then the rest of us, and we're tired of catering to their tantrums.
    You have just used every left wing inspired caricature of what a conservative is, As Dennis Prager is fond of saying "you must have gone to graduate school". If you know him you'll know why he says that, and it's not good. You should probably have some honest conversations with conservatives, it might help your pathology.

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    Re: Is There an Empathy Gap Between Democrats and Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    And acceptance isn't the same as being empathetic. One could truly be empathetic toward homosexuals who want to marry, and yet not accept that it is good for society.
    That's possible, but to be truly empathetic you have to almost divorce yourself of your own perspective. You can then consider the difference between your perspective and that of the other, and come to a compromise between the two that you find acceptable.
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    Re: Is There an Empathy Gap Between Democrats and Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    That's possible, but to be truly empathetic you have to almost divorce yourself of your own perspective. You can then consider the difference between your perspective and that of the other, and come to a compromise between the two that you find acceptable.
    I disagree. If what you say is true, it would follow that all circumstances can and should be made better by the force of government. This is the antithesis of the limited government philosophy that conservatives believe is best.

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    Re: Is There an Empathy Gap Between Democrats and Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Government involvement in marriage is about government power, while the immigration reform efforts going on are about votes.



    If you say so. Care to answer my question?
    All government action is about power, either expanding power or giving up some. Government can and should have a degree of power, or else why does it exist?

    As for immigration reform, I have heard the sensible yet cynical argument that Republicans should not pursue immigration reform because most naturalized immigrants would vote Democratic. And they probably would if they could vote tomorrow. The problem with the argument is that it assumes something, that since immigrants currently lean Democratic that they always will. That assumes that immigrants will have the same issues with Republicans as they do now. The obvious counterargument is that if Republicans support immigration reform, they will win approval of more immigrants, and if they continue to legislate in a more immigrant-friendly manner, by the time they can vote (like 10 or 15 years from now) you will have changed the party's image and probably gained a lot more immigrant support.
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    Re: Is There an Empathy Gap Between Democrats and Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    I disagree. If what you say is true, it would follow that all circumstances can and should be made better by the force of government. This is the antithesis of the limited government philosophy that conservatives believe is best.
    I think only in circumstances where one person's freedom impinges on another's. In addition, look to the presidency of George W Bush to see if Republicans/conservative really limit government when they're in power.
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    Re: Is There an Empathy Gap Between Democrats and Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I think only in circumstances where one person's freedom impinges on another's. In addition, look to the presidency of George W Bush to see if Republicans/conservative really limit government when they're in power.
    Not sure I get that point, if you are empathetic the perceived correctness of the position doesn't matter. I wouldn't consider GW to be a fiscal conservative, unless he was standing next to Pres. Obama.

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    Re: Is There an Empathy Gap Between Democrats and Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    All government action is about power, either expanding power or giving up some. Government can and should have a degree of power, or else why does it exist?
    Perhaps, but there is no valid reason the government needs to be involved in the matter. The benefits are provided to people in a relationship approved by the state, the contract and it's terms are the creation of the state, and when the contract is forfeit everything that follows goes through the state. It's just a way for the state to control family and relationship matters. It serves no other purpose.

    As for immigration reform, I have heard the sensible yet cynical argument that Republicans should not pursue immigration reform because most naturalized immigrants would vote Democratic. And they probably would if they could vote tomorrow. The problem with the argument is that it assumes something, that since immigrants currently lean Democratic that they always will. That assumes that immigrants will have the same issues with Republicans as they do now. The obvious counterargument is that if Republicans support immigration reform, they will win approval of more immigrants, and if they continue to legislate in a more immigrant-friendly manner, by the time they can vote (like 10 or 15 years from now) you will have changed the party's image and probably gained a lot more immigrant support.
    First of all, the federal government does not have the authority to be involved in immigration matters. Second, there is no telling what the future holds and when you ask your opponents to approve of something they know could very well mean their demise you're asking for way to much.

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    Re: Is There an Empathy Gap Between Democrats and Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Not sure I get that point, if you are empathetic the perceived correctness of the position doesn't matter. I wouldn't consider GW to be a fiscal conservative, unless he was standing next to Pres. Obama.
    What do you mean by the perceived correctness, and what doesn't matter about it? I hope if you thought GW wasn't fiscally conservative you were saying that during his presidency, because I didn't hear peep from most conservatives until the financial crisis.
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    Re: Is There an Empathy Gap Between Democrats and Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Perhaps, but there is no valid reason the government needs to be involved in the matter. The benefits are provided to people in a relationship approved by the state, the contract and it's terms are the creation of the state, and when the contract is forfeit everything that follows goes through the state. It's just a way for the state to control family and relationship matters. It serves no other purpose.



    First of all, the federal government does not have the authority to be involved in immigration matters. Second, there is no telling what the future holds and when you ask your opponents to approve of something they know could very well mean their demise you're asking for way to much.
    If the federal government doesn't have authority over immigration, who does? It's not the states, that's for sure.
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    Re: Is There an Empathy Gap Between Democrats and Republicans?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    If the federal government doesn't have authority over immigration, who does? It's not the states, that's for sure.
    It is actually the states.

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