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    Re: Huntsman 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Does "I'll bet you $10,000" sound familiar?
    I concede that was clownish, But on the bright side Romney was probably the most decent and honorable man that has run for president in the last 30 years.

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    Re: Huntsman 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    being for tax reform doesn't make you a conservative it is just one in a 100 issues in the conservative party he fails on the other 99 of them
    Like being pro-life? Cutting spending as a percentage of GDP in Utah? Extremely pro-gun? Strongly opposing the Affordable Care Act? Signing one of the largest school voucher bills in the country?
    There should be Instant Runoff Voting

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    Re: Huntsman 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    A lot of foreign policy experience. Strong support for the 2nd Amendment. He's less of a social conservative.
    He's a moderate right leaning social conservative whose pro-life but okay with the notion of gay marriage, who happens to think that global warming is an actual issue that should be addressed but not at the expense of economic growth and stability, actually feels that when you cut government you should CUT GOVERNMENT not cut just 2/3rds of it, and thinks that after you "Secure the border first" it's reasonable to talk about possible means of granting a path to citizenship as a way to deal with SOME in the US....

    This makes him not a republican/conservative in the minds of people...laughably, in part in the minds of some who slobber over a guy (based on the same criteria that people judge Huntsman's older views) who instituted state level health care similar to Obamacare, signed an assault weapons ban, who suggested we should "staple green cards" to illegal, was in favor of "Comprehensive immigration reform", who ALSO believes that global warming is real and human action has contributed and pushed for state level action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

    The reality is there's not likely a republican around that you can't take some action or some stance at some point and make a compelling argument for it to be outside of what is the "norm" for what Conservatives/Republicans typically say or do. But to take those handful of things and ignore the MOUNDS Of evidence the other direction to declare the person a RINO is idiotic. THe only thing MORE idiotic is to declare someone a RINO simply because a liberal, typically ignorant of the record as well, happens to say they like him.

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    Re: Huntsman 2016?

    I would have voted for wombat over Obama



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    Re: Huntsman 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndylan1 View Post
    Santorum's main focus was to promote the idea that the society is best when the traditional family unit is strengthened. This is because of economic and crime statistics support that view, it comes of as religious because he is religious, but the policy positions were not.
    Santorum does not understand the difference between "the society" and "the state". Just like our socialist friends, he doesn't seem to be aware that the 20th century had actually happened. Like, for real. And there are some rather important lessons to be absorbed.

    Given the choice between a Santorum-like "right-wing" collectivist and an honest democratic socialist, I will probably choose the latter; at least, there's a (feeble) hope that you are dealing with a well-meaning person whose unthinking heart is way stronger than his rigidly programmed brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    being for tax reform doesn't make you a conservative it is just one in a 100 issues in the conservative party he fails on the other 99 of them
    What are the 99?

    Gun Control? Because the NRA has been on record stating they "would like to thank Governor Huntsman … for [his] continued support for the Second Amendment" (LINK)

    Abortion? Because he was regarded as a strong support of the pro-life movement and signed multiple laws restricting abortion.

    Health Care? As noted by The Daily Caller, Huntsman supported and signed Health Care reform that was market driven and based around the notion of consumer choice in the marketplace...sound familiar?

    Growth of Government? Spending in Utah decreased as a percentage of the states GDP during his time in office.

    Keystone Pipeline? He's in favor of it and disagreed with the Administrations slowing of the project

    Balanced Budget amendment? Huntsman suggested we need to fight to get one

    Energy Policy? Reduce regulation on energy production, support things like natural gas, and continue the process of fracking

    There's 7 more for you. We're up to 91 then?

    Care to contribute some of those "99" you speak of? What number exactly does one need to hit to be considered "conservative"?

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    Re: Huntsman 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I tend to ignore them-their guy wasn't going anywhere!
    Sadly I can agree with that. I was the loudest support, and typically the loudest one shouting about how HORRIBLE his campaign was.

    Still gets me annoyed and angry thinking about how much his team botched that thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Sadly I can agree with that. I was the loudest support, and typically the loudest one shouting about how HORRIBLE his campaign was.

    Still gets me annoyed and angry thinking about how much his team botched that thing.
    a bunch of press conferences with Abby in short skirts would have worked far better.



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    Re: Huntsman 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Santorum does not understand the difference between "the society" and "the state". Just like our socialist friends, he doesn't seem to be aware that the 20th century had actually happened. Like, for real. And there are some rather important lessons to be absorbed.

    Given the choice between a Santorum-like "right-wing" collectivist and an honest democratic socialist, I will probably choose the latter; at least, there's a (feeble) hope that you are dealing with a well-meaning person whose unthinking heart is way stronger than his rigidly programmed brain.
    I couldn't disagree more, not that Santorum was perfect but we look at who he was running against at the time. I predict that no candidate on the republican side that is less conservative than Santorum will get more than 20% in the primaries.

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    Re: Huntsman 2016?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I do think there's definitely some room for bipartisan support of Huntsman.
    Oh, absolutely there is. As I was saying back during the primaries....Huntsman issues in the primary is going to be the fact he has a Moderate TONE. He's not fire an brimstone, he's not someone that's going to leap onto wedge issues, he's not someone making wild statements. The TONE hurts him in a primary, but would help him in the general election.

    And I do think there are a decent bit of independents who were democrat voters the past few years, especially younger people, who could fall into that "Reagan Democrat" mold (THE HORROR! We must destroy the legacy of reagan, some DEMOCRATS liked him. Democrats liking someone means they're a RINO!!!!!!!) in modern times. Gay Marriage is one of those things that bothers I think a lot of younger voters more than other issues might, and someone not just refraining from making wild statements about it but actually being okay about it suddenly may make them able to be more palatable. And I think that there are a fair bit of slightly left leaning moderates/independents who would actually go for the conservative message FISCALLY...but have issues getting past a few of the wedge social issues.

    But the way that some liberals talked him up as a way of criticizing the Republicans really killed him, (not that his campaign helped rebut that.)
    100% agree. That said, I actually place that blame again on his campaign. Part of why that was able to happen, and able to get some traction, was that his campaign did little to actually promote the wide range of conservative credentials and actual record that he has to counter that notion. They basically played into it.

    I'm still kind of baffled by that HORRIBLE game plan. They basically ran a general election strategy in the primaries which is just.....idiotic.

    It actually lowered some of my views of him because it really makes me question the intelligence of choosing his political advisers.

    The thing is, if a lot of those people actually looked at Huntsman's positions and his record they wouldn't have been supporting him that way.
    Agreed completely.

    For every 10 liberal/left leaning "moderates/independents" that went on and on about how "sensible" Huntsman was or how he was a Republican they could "Get behind", I'd wager there was 3 or 4 who would've been bad mouthing him as TOO right wing if he actually had any shot of winning, and another 3 or 4 on top of that which would've started bad mouthing him as too right wing if they actually looked at his record.

    He looked like someone with zero shot of winning, so he was the easy candidate for Liberals to just go "HE'D be the person I'd support" because they knew they'd never actually have to be in a position to THINK about supporting him, so they never really had to give a crap about actually looking deeply at his views and record. They just heard his moderate TONE and saw he had little shot of winning, and so started choosing him as their token "He'd be okay!" guy to use for backhanded attacks at republicans.

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