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Only property owners should vote

Should owning property be a requirement to vote

  • yes, only property owners should vote

    Votes: 6 7.3%

  • no, let everyone vote

    Votes: 76 92.7%
  • Total voters
    82
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sawyerloggingon said:
What is crap exactly?
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What is property exactly?

Is it only land owners to whom you refer? Do condominium owners qualify?

Why do you sound so damn elitist? Is it intentional?
 
TheNextEra said:
So you look at people who don't own property as second hand citizens?
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If you own property you own part of America and you want America to succeed. If you don't own property you are far more likely to vote for what is in your best interest instead of what is in America's best interest.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
If you own property you own part of America and you want America to succeed. If you don't own property you are far more likely to vote for what is in your best interest instead of what is in America's best interest.
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I know many conservatives and liberals who rent houses, condos, and apartments who work and are successful and want America to succeed. To say that they somehow don't or are second-class citizens because of it is moronic.

BTW I DO own a house and I do not consider my voting any more or less imnportant than someone who rents.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Jredbaron96 said:
If you defined it, I could answer it.

If you mean land, it depends. I have a house with a backyard. I rent, does that count?[/QUOTE]

That would be a no.
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So you want people to get mortgages they can't afford just so they can get equal rights?

Why exactly are renters who pay taxes not worthy of a vote?
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sawyerloggingon said:
Renters no, paying a mortgage yes.
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The distinction seems somewhat arbitrary. People who pay mortgages don't own their homes, the banks do, and take interest on them.

The whole point of the property owner law isn't to have a "skin in the game." Its to ensure people who have the time to invest into politics have the strongest voice on the issues, because the "laboring classes" aren't smart.
 
"the steady dumbing down of the voter pool" This I find to be disgusting and disturbing..
Your points do have limited merit, but with some thought, this evaporates.
What we do need is a far better education system, including even morals and ethics....its wrong to steal and cheat and this is why......the parents should be teaching this, but, in too many cases....where are they....
Thus - no vote , I'll just make a statement and leave this sewer , it stinks...
 
d0gbreath said:
What is property exactly?

Is it only land owners to whom you refer? Do condominium owners qualify?

Why do you sound so damn elitist? Is it intentional?
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As defined in 1776 property is land.

"Only people who own land can vote
Declaration of Independence signed. Right to vote during the Colonial and Revolutionary periods is restricted to property owners—most of whom are white male Protestants over the age of 21."
 
sawyerloggingon said:
If you own property you own part of America and you want America to succeed. If you don't own property you are far more likely to vote for what is in your best interest instead of what is in America's best interest.
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That is an incredibly naive view point.
 
We are all citizens. The decisions of the government affect all of us. We should all get a say in the actions of government.

And hey, why stop at voting? Why should the police require a warrant before entering a rented apartment? Why allow renters the right to speak freely, since they don't have any "skin in the game" and "hang around the fringes?"

Good grief.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
If you are on welfare will you vote for welfare reform?
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If you have stocks in Apple will you vote for trade reform?

As far as I can tell, there is hardly a human being in America today who is capable of subordinating their personal interests to the public good.
 
Visbek said:
We are all citizens. The decisions of the government affect all of us. We should all get a say in the actions of government.

And hey, why stop at voting? Why should the police require a warrant before entering a rented apartment? Why allow renters the right to speak freely, since they don't have any "skin in the game" and "hang around the fringes?"

Good grief.
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We draw lines now and not everyone gets to vote, you and I just disagree on where the line should be drawn.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
If you are on welfare will you vote for welfare reform?
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People on welfare are not a huge collective consciousness that share the same views on everything. There probably are some who would vote, and some who wouldn't.

You really shouldn't assume.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
We draw lines now and not everyone gets to vote, you and I just disagree on where the line should be drawn.
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And it makes no sense even by your own logic. Mortgage payers get to vote when mortgage payers were one of the primary causes of the 2008 recession...? How does that make things more stable?
 
Morality Games said:
If you have stocks in Apple will you vote for trade reform?

As far as I can tell, there is hardly a human being in America today who is capable of subordinating their personal interests to the public good.
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If you are a property owner you will vote for America not for Apple so you unintentionally made my point, thank you.
 
Morality Games said:
The distinction seems somewhat arbitrary. People who pay mortgages don't own their homes, the banks do, and take interest on them.

The whole point of the property owner law isn't to have a "skin in the game." Its to ensure people who have the time to invest into politics have the strongest voice on the issues, because the "laboring classes" aren't smart.
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False about people with mortgages not owning their homes. The homeowner's name is on the deed but there is a lien on the property.
 
Morality Games said:
And it makes no sense even by your own logic. Mortgage payers get to vote when mortgage payers were one of the primary causes of the 2008 recession...? How does that make things more stable?
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Wrong, congress demanding banks make loans to unqualified borrowers was the cause of the recession.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
Ben K. said:
Get mortgages you can afford, problem solved.
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Don't think the scale of the debt negates the principle that you're advocating people be in debt to secure a basic right. The banks would effectively own many peoples votes who can't outright buy a residence. Does this not seem a bit troubling to you?
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