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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And obviously it hasn't been used as such. It has been used to expand their powers though, whether you agree or not, and that has been approved as acceptable by the SCOTUS and people simply don't care enough to stop them. I am one of those people.

    As I've said, I am much more concerned about protected my own and others' rights from the states than from the federal government. History shows us that states are much more likely to try to infringe upon individual rights than the federal government.
    so what you telling me is you willing to go with the flow of unconstitutional government, becuase you like it, and the federal government needs total power to keep states in check, even though its the states, that created the constitution, and that constitution created the federal government.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    so what you telling me is you willing to go with the flow of unconstitutional government, becuase you like it, and the federal government needs total power to keep states in check, even though its the states, that created the constitution, and that constitution created the federal government.
    I'm willing to go with what I see as a completely constitutional use of federal power. Just because you don't agree with the assessment, doesn't make you right.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm willing to go with what I see as a completely constitutional use of federal power. Just because you don't agree with the assessment, doesn't make you right.

    oh, its clear the congress only has power delegated to them in article 1 section 8.

    is there any listing of education housing epa, transportation...no

    i also posted a a clause of that section that clearly states congress only has legislative authority inside of d.c. only and federal buildings where the states agree, the federal government has no legislative authority on state or private land.

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, its clear the congress only has power delegated to them in article 1 section 8.

    is there any listing of education housing epa, transportation...no

    i also posted a a clause of that section that clearly states congress only has legislative authority inside of d.c. only and federal buildings where the states agree, the federal government has no legislative authority on state or private land.

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings
    The states have agreed to allow the federal government to have that power, that authority. Your arguments fail. And it is simply not going to work to allow any state of the US to secede from the US. It would cause major problems if one of those within the middle of the country were allowed to do so, and not fair if those on the coast did so. It simply wouldn't work.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    oh, its clear the congress only has power delegated to them in article 1 section 8.

    is there any listing of education housing epa, transportation...no

    i also posted a a clause of that section that clearly states congress only has legislative authority inside of d.c. only and federal buildings where the states agree, the federal government has no legislative authority on state or private land.

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings
    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of Particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings;

    You are still confusing exclusive← Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District →(D.C.)← with the limited powers of the Federal Government. Its double talk designed to fool the ignorant.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of Particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards and other needful Buildings;

    You are still confusing exclusive← Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District →(D.C.)← with the limited powers of the Federal Government. Its double talk designed to fool the ignorant.
    how?..... its very clear, the congress has total legislative authority in d.c. or where the federal government and the states agree for needful buildings.

    it does not give congress legislative authority over areas that the states do not agree.

    this is what limited government means......

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The states have agreed to allow the federal government to have that power, that authority. Your arguments fail. And it is simply not going to work to allow any state of the US to secede from the US. It would cause major problems if one of those within the middle of the country were allowed to do so, and not fair if those on the coast did so. It simply wouldn't work.
    really ,you who say the government can do at will what they want, that its unlimited, that is directly contrary to what the founders say.

    it states that the legislative branch of government , it does not say judicial or executive.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    how?..... its very clear, the congress has total legislative authority in d.c. or where the federal government and the states agree for needful buildings.

    it does not give congress legislative authority over areas that the states do not agree.

    this is what limited government means......
    Considering that what you quoted only dealt with D.C. and other federal holdings, then of course the federal government only has exclusive legislation in those jurisdictions. But to try and use that section as the final word on a unrelated topic is dishonest. The separation of powers in the United States is explained elsewhere in the Constitution.

    In the same article that you are trying to dishonestly represent (article 1) there is for example section 10 which specifically forbids the States from engaging in certain behavior. Which clearly shows that the Constitution has the power to tell the states what they can and cannot do. The Constitution uses definite wording "No state shall" meaning that if a State goes against the Constitution then they will be in trouble to say the least. Article 1 Section 10 isnt the only place in the Constitution that makes such assertions but clearly the States cannot just do whatever they want.

    BTW me stating these facts doesnt somehow marry me to whatever it is that you think that you arguing against. My only point was to correct a misrepresentation of the Constitution that your were making. And even though I am a property owner I would never support such a qualification to vote. There is no need for us to regress in such a extreme manner back to the days when women could not vote and people were kept as slaves.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    Considering that what you quoted only dealt with D.C. and other federal holdings, then of course the federal government only has exclusive legislation in those jurisdictions. But to try and use that section as the final word on a unrelated topic is dishonest. The separation of powers in the United States is explained elsewhere in the Constitution.

    In the same article that you are trying to dishonestly represent (article 1) there is for example section 10 which specifically forbids the States from engaging in certain behavior. Which clearly shows that the Constitution has the power to tell the states what they can and cannot do. The Constitution uses definite wording "No state shall" meaning that if a State goes against the Constitution then they will be in trouble to say the least. Article 1 Section 10 isnt the only place in the Constitution that makes such assertions but clearly the States cannot just do whatever they want.

    BTW me stating these facts doesnt somehow marry me to whatever it is that you think that you arguing against. My only point was to correct a misrepresentation of the Constitution that your were making. And even though I am a property owner I would never support such a qualification to vote. There is no need for us to regress in such a extreme manner back to the days when women could not vote and people were kept as slaves.
    let me see if i can make my point clearer.

    under the constitution the U.S . CONGRESS has NO legislative authority, over the lives of the citizens of the states, property of the state or citizens, the liberty of citizens of a state, the day to day internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

    again NO legislative authority ..........as stated by james madison
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    let me see if i can make my point clearer.

    under the constitution the U.S . CONGRESS has NO legislative authority, over the lives of the citizens of the states, property of the state or citizens, the liberty of citizens of a state, the day to day internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.

    again NO legislative authority ..........as stated by james madison
    And why are you making this point?

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