View Poll Results: Should owning property be a requirement to vote

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your position is losing 80 to 5. Deal with that reality. That is the freaking topic at hand.
    LOL, using that guideline all the anti gun crap that the DEm party supports gets routinely thrashed on polls on DP. I didn't vote because there should have been more questions since some non property owners pay tons of income tax



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Your position is losing 80 to 5. Deal with that reality. That is the freaking topic at hand.
    My position will be front and center at the next election. America is waking up the con job we are suffering through now.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

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    excellent-is it wearing a purple tutu?
    I wouldn't be surprised

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    LOL, using that guideline all the anti gun crap that the DEm party supports gets routinely thrashed on polls on DP. I didn't vote because there should have been more questions since some non property owners pay tons of income tax
    that is the damn point Turtle. This is a site dominated by the right and your position is getting its collective ass handed to them by a lopsided margin of 16 to 1.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Isn't post number 563 about the same as 580

    same response
    tl dr



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    that is the damn point Turtle. This is a site dominated by the right and your position is getting its collective ass handed to them by a lopsided margin of 16 to 1.
    oh the poor boohoo we are outnumbered

    it was a poorly written poll

    I love the appeal to the masses when it suits the left



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Isn't post number 563 about the same as 580

    same response
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    and you were impotent to speak to the issues raised in it.... both times. Just like you were six months ago. Just like you were a year ago. Just like you were two years ago.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    and you were impotent to speak to the issues raised in it.... both times. Just like you were six months ago. Just like you were a year ago. Just like you were two years ago.
    you don't like the answers and you don't like the obvious point

    this country has way too many people who suck on the public teat and vote for those who give them milk paid for by others.



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you don't like the answers and you don't like the obvious point

    this country has way too many people who suck on the public teat and vote for those who give them milk paid for by others.
    You have provided no answers to like or not like.

    And you certainly have provided no formula to identify your previous NET TAXPAYER.

    But maybe this will help you clarify your thinking

    Let us take the case of a couple - the Smith family - who have an income of $120K per year. This is far more than average and places them in the supposed desired class of the net taxpayer according to the logic of Turtle as they pay far more than the average. However, any such determination that does not examine the actual government services used by the Smith family is extremely incomplete and flawed.

    Let us say that the Smith's over all tax payments are in the range of 30%. This means they have paid about $37K in taxes to all levels of government in a year. Now let us say that the Smith's have four children ranging in ages from seven to sixteen years of age and are in the local public school. If they live in a state like New Jersey, where Governor Christie says it costs over $20K per year for one students education if they are in the Newark pubic school system, that is a cost of over $80K for the children of the Smith family. Now please keep in mind that I cannot find any source which says Christie is right. Sources I can locate say the expenditure is closer to $17K per pupil in his state. But let us assume that the governor of that state knows more than the rest of us and we will use his figure. IOf we use the lower figure it is still $68K for the Smith's education. And if they live in a lower cost state like where the per pupil cost is only half of that, the cost of education for the Smith children is still over $40K per year. Not even taking into account any other single government service, they already are tax vampires sucking up far more than they contribute. Despite their above average income and the taxes they pay on it and for other things, they are nowhere near being a net taxpayer.

    And this illustrates the absolute folly and impossibility of identifying who and who is not a net taxpayer. If you cannot accurately define it and identify the rubric being used, the methodology being used and the information necessary to make the judgment, how can you then apply this to anyone with any degree of accuracy at all? Obviously you cannot.

    The Smith family would be different than a childless couple and both couples would be different than a couple with six children in school. Everyones situation is individual and different and that is a key point.
    Now take all aspects of taxation and all aspects of government service and every American and come up with your determination of who is and who is not a net taxpayer and who is a tax vampire. it simply cannot be done with any accuracy or specificity.

    And the real nightmare here is the political power grab behind this bogus idea has been floated in right wing circles and on this board that people who are not net taxpayers should be disenfranchised and stripped of their citizens right to vote in public elections. That is staggering and one of the most anti-democratic and anti-American ideas I have ever heard. And when you see that is is based on a fiction that cannot be identified or quantified, its even more of an outrage and abomination.

    If I am wrong, if you are wrong, and there is a precise definition of the net taxpayer I would certainly like to see it, all the information which goes into it, the methodology used to make that judgment, the formula for applications, and other specifics which are important to have to understand the concept. I await such information.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You have provided no answers to like or not like.
    the point is


    the left panders to net tax consumers



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