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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I knew you would be impotent to answer my questions about how you arrived at your magical FIVE TIMES number. thank you for confirming it.
    Let me educate you on this

    five times clearly is in the net tax payer category. it was a safe number

    do you admit or deny that some people pay for more than they use and others use more than what they pay

    its an easy question

    yes or no



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Let me educate you on this

    five times clearly is in the net tax payer category. it was a safe number

    do you admit or deny that some people pay for more than they use and others use more than what they pay

    its an easy question

    yes or no
    Did that number come from your brain or from three feet lower? Can you prove it with verifiable evidence?

    What is the average tax paid per individual that we need to multiply times five?

    Why times five?

    Why not times two?

    Why not times three?

    Why times any number?

    How does one calculate the amount of government services absorbed on the other side of the calculation?

    You have never been able to identify the numbers are you are still impotent to identify them.

    All you want to do is disenfranchise people who do not vote like you do .... pure and simple.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Did that number come from your brain or from three feet lower? Can you prove it with verifiable evidence?
    I asked you a question, can you answer it?



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    I asked you a question, can you answer it?
    Yes. Gladly. Most certainly I and anyone else an answer it. As soon as you answer the ones I asked first. Provide me the formula and I will be glad to apply it so that I can answer your question about using more services than you pay for.

    But for over two years now you have been woefully impotent to do that. Why would this discussion be any different?

    All you want to do is disenfranchise people who do not vote like you want them to vote. So - like your various contradictory positions on taxes - you embrace anything that benefits your own selfish goals and wants.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes. They do. My husband and I haven't paid income taxes a good portion of our marriage just due to our relative military service during that time and us having children during every taxable year we have been married. But we still care about what is done. We simply do not lie on our income taxes when we fill them out to pay more than we owe. We care about the real world despite not paying net taxes. It isn't that hard to understand.

    Heck the vast majority of those who don't pay "net income taxes" really don't even realize that they don't because they simply don't look at the difference between what they paid in and what they got back, positive or negative. They don't think to themselves, "I don't pay taxes so why should I care". It is absolutely stupid and/or ignorant to believe they do.
    do people vote for politicians, who promise them they will get the rich, make them pay their fair share.

    i believe what Madison says if true, those who have no stake, will use their vote for injustice, maybe not everyone, but it is natural for man to look at another man and be envious.

    The right of suffrage is a fundamental Article in Republican Constitutions. The regulation of it is, at the same time, a task of peculiar delicacy. Allow the right exclusively to property, and the rights of persons may be oppressed. The feudal polity alone sufficiently proves it. Extend it equally to all, and the rights of property or the claims of justice may be overruled by a majority without property, or interested in measures of injustice. Of this abundant proof is afforded by other popular Govts. and is not without examples in our own, particularly in the laws impairing the obligation of contracts.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    As soon as you answer the ones I asked first.
    NOpe NOt going to work that way, I already answered one of yours

    its simple

    do you believe some people pay more in taxes then they get in government benefits

    and do others do the reverse



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    NOpe NOt going to work that way, I already answered one of yours

    its simple

    do you believe some people pay more in taxes then they get in government benefits

    and do others do the reverse
    It has to work that way since it cannot work any other way. You give me the formula and I will apply it to you and me and every other American to determine the answer to your question. But without a formula to apply its merely pulling crap out of ones rectum ...... and that is not a reliable answer for anyone.

    You want to put a label on people so you can deprive them of their Constitutional rights. Okay. So lets see the formula you are going to use to do this.

    Why are you impotent to do this?
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It has to work that way since it cannot work any other way. You give me the formula and I will apply it to you and me and every other American to determine the answer to your question. But without a formula to apply its merely pulling crap out of ones rectum ...... and that is not a reliable answer for anyone.

    You want to put a label on people so you can deprive them of their Constitutional rights. Okay. So lets see the formula you are going to use to do this.

    Why are you impotent to do this?
    you seem to think that not being able to name the exact point doesn't mean there aren't both kinds of groups

    the fact is-democrats pander to net tax consumers and advocate tax policies that garner the votes of such people while the GOP policies favor net tax payers



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yup... income taxes are taxes. So are many other taxes also that people pay every day.
    Income taxes was the conversation, but deflection is just part of you I guess

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Income taxes was the conversation, but deflection is just part of you I guess
    Why are you only using one tax and ignoring all the others people pay?
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