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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I guess the ratifiers of the 19th Amendment either missed that bit, or didn't care.
    The 19th amendment doesn't establish a right to vote.

    Or, that "life, liberty and the pursuit of property / happiness" doesn't rely in any way upon political representation.
    There is a difference between something being a good idea to ensure and something being a human right.

    Yes, we should definitely buy our right to vote with tax dollars.
    You don't buy your rights.

    I was referring to the framers of the Constitution.
    I'm aware.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Tax return, FICA deductions, Food Stamps, etc. Things of direct monetary value.
    where is the formula?
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Income taxes?
    yup... income taxes are taxes. So are many other taxes also that people pay every day.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    just because drawing the line is difficult does not prove that there is no difference
    So define and quantify it then with a formula that is applicable to all Americans. you have not been able to do this for years and you still cannot do it today. This whole Net taxpayer scam is smellier than fifty pounds of wet manure left out for a week in 90 degree heat. But prove me wrong by posting the applicable formula. I welcome it.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    So define and quantify it then with a formula that is applicable to all Americans. you have not been able to do this for years and you still cannot do it today. This whole Net taxpayer scam is smellier than fifty pounds of wet manure left out for a week in 90 degree heat. But prove me wrong by posting the applicable formula. I welcome it.

    denial is not a sound argument. its easy, divide the number of tax payers by the total federal income tax paid. If you are paying 5X or more than that amount you are clearly a net tax payer (I pay around 400K in FIT-I am a net tax payer)

    if you are one of those in the 47% who pay no FIT you are a net tax consumer. Its people paying about the average amount who are tough to pick



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    yup... income taxes are taxes. So are many other taxes also that people pay every day.
    Income taxes are the ones that are most relative for buying votes and being important in an election

    you don't hear much about excise taxes on alcohol or ammo



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    denial is not a sound argument. its easy, divide the number of tax payers by the total federal income tax paid. If you are paying 5X or more than that amount you are clearly a net tax payer (I pay around 400K in FIT-I am a net tax payer)

    if you are one of those in the 47% who pay no FIT you are a net tax consumer. Its people paying about the average amount who are tough to pick
    That makes no sense at all. It is absurd in the extreme and has no practical foundation which you can cite or point to. You just pulled that nonsense out of thin air or someplace even worse. Why five times? Why not three times? Why not four times? Why not four point five times? You just made it up and there is no foundation for it.

    There are people who pay more than five times the amount of average tax paid but still use more services. That destroys your point. The amount of tax paid is only one side of the equation. One must then calculate the amount of services consumed and compare the two figures.

    How would you do that?
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    that makes no sense at all. There are people who pay more than five times the amount of average tax paid but still use more services. That destroys your point. The amount of tax paid is only one side of the equation. One must then calculate the amount of services consumed and compare the two figures.

    How would you do that?
    how do they use five times the service? leftwing parasite advocates claim that the rich have more to lose so they should pay more-that's bogus. They say the rich use the infrastructure more-that's bogus

    actually the poor and middle class use far more services.

    you want to pretend that no one is a net tax payer or consumer because we cannot pinpoint each case

    that's bogus. most people in the USA pay less than their share of government expenditures. That is easy to prove. and the top 4 or 5% pay far far more



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Income taxes are the ones that are most relative for buying votes and being important in an election

    you don't hear much about excise taxes on alcohol or ammo
    let me finish that for you....

    you don't hear much about other taxes from fringe extremists identifying themselves as right libertarians who are obsessed with disenfranchising the poor since they do not share their faux ideological mental illness.

    There. Now it makes sense.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    how do they use five times the service? leftwing parasite advocates claim that the rich have more to lose so they should pay more-that's bogus. They say the rich use the infrastructure more-that's bogus

    actually the poor and middle class use far more services.

    you want to pretend that no one is a net tax payer or consumer because we cannot pinpoint each case

    that's bogus. most people in the USA pay less than their share of government expenditures. That is easy to prove. and the top 4 or 5% pay far far more
    I knew you would be impotent to answer my questions about how you arrived at your magical FIVE TIMES number. thank you for confirming it.

    You have no idea what you are talking about or how you arrived at that number and are powerless to explain it. Your obsession with this entire NET TAXPAYER nonsense is just elitism espoused by fringe right libertarians to subvert American representative democracy through the institution of repression of rights.

    If it is so easy to prove.... THEN DO IT. DO IT NOW. DO IT CLEARLY. DO IT WITH VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE.

    DO IT.
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