View Poll Results: Should owning property be a requirement to vote

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I'm certainly not a fan of Reagan. The point is that the EITC was based on conservative principles and enjoyed partisan support. The idea that Republicans want to use a tax credit that they came up with as a weapon to disenfranchise citizens is mind-boggling.

    In addition, the idea of democracy was once a core conservative value. I really don't know when conservatives and/or Republicans lost sight of that value; all I can surmise is that it's a result of Republicans blaming the voters when they don't vote for Republicans.
    I am neither a republican or a conservative so your Reagan post meant zip to me. I am an independent thinker and what I think is too many unqualified people vote. We can argue with where the line should be drawn but there should be a line. Right now if you're not a convicted felon you can vote. I think we need a higher bar.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Actually that is precisely the topic. If you don't pay fed taxes maybe you shouldn't vote in fed elections. That is in keeping with the founders original intent.
    The founders income was that only educated, wealthy men should vote. Having a taxable income isn't a sign that you're wealthy or educated. It means you would be giving the vote to burger flippers while denying it to retirees, stay-at-home mums and the disabled.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Oh really? Do you have an links or documentation to back up your allegations?
    Even the link you provided shows what I'm talking about by revealing nearly 47 million Americans are on food stamps. Are food stamps considered statutory procedure designed to promote the physical and material wellbeing of people in need (definition of welfare)? Yes. That is what welfare is. Government policy aimed at meeting the needs of needy people. Medicare meets this definition, and that covers about 50 million Americans (link). Medicaid covers 62 million (link).

    You only achieve tiny numbers of people using welfare by defining welfare very narrowly, which is misleading.

    Again, that does not constitute a low information voter. This is all only your opinion and nothing more.
    Information is not the basis on which I'm proposing discounting voting power among adults. I am proposing discounting the weight of the vote proportionally to the extent that voter relies on government assistance for his or her basic needs.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I'm certainly not a fan of Reagan. The point is that the EITC was based on conservative principles and enjoyed partisan support. The idea that Republicans want to use a tax credit that they came up with as a weapon to disenfranchise citizens is mind-boggling.

    In addition, the idea of democracy was once a core conservative value. I really don't know when conservatives and/or Republicans lost sight of that value; all I can surmise is that it's a result of Republicans blaming the voters when they don't vote for Republicans.
    That is the whole problem with partisanship. The only thing some people care about is their party. They don't even care about their fellow citizens, just their party politics. It's a sickness I think.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    The founders income was that only educated, wealthy men should vote. Having a taxable income isn't a sign that you're wealthy or educated. It means you would be giving the vote to burger flippers while denying it to retirees, stay-at-home mums and the disabled.
    The formula for who is qualified to vote would obviously be more complex than anybody in here is willing to put the time into contriving but we could start with the low hanging fruit, crack whores with illegitimate kids on welfare would be a good place to get the ball rolling.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Even the link you provided shows what I'm talking about by revealing nearly 47 million Americans are on food stamps. Are food stamps considered statutory procedure designed to promote the physical and material wellbeing of people in need (definition of welfare)? Yes. That is what welfare is. Government policy aimed at meeting the needs of needy people. Medicare meets this definition, and that covers about 50 million Americans (link). Medicaid covers 62 million (link).

    You only achieve tiny numbers of people using welfare by defining welfare very narrowly, which is misleading.



    Information is not the basis on which I'm proposing discounting voting power among adults. I am proposing discounting the weight of the vote proportionally to the extent that voter relies on government assistance for his or her basic needs.
    Well if that's what you're using, then be prepared to strip the right to vote away from half the citizens in the United States. The economy sucks and people need help. I certainly don't see that as any kind of a reason to strip a right from a legitimate citizen, regardless of whether they are receiving help from taxpayer money. I would MUCH rather my taxpayer dollars pay for a poor American family than go to Pakistan or Afghanistan or whatever stan.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I've suggested that schools start teaching classes about finances, saving and budgeting.
    When I was in high school at least one year of that class was required to graduate. They called it Home Economics.

    The teacher resembled Big Bird and taught how to balance a checkbook, manage a household budget, fill out a tax return, etc.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    When I was in high school at least one year of that class was required to graduate. They called it Home Economics.

    The teacher resembled Big Bird and taught how to balance a checkbook, manage a household budget, fill out a tax return, etc.
    I didn't learn any of that in school. Home Ec when I went was about sewing and cooking, and we had it in Middle School, not at all in high school.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    When I was in high school at least one year of that class was required to graduate. They called it Home Economics.

    The teacher resembled Big Bird and taught how to balance a checkbook, manage a household budget, fill out a tax return, etc.
    I took wood and metal shop, only girls took home economics in my day but really it's a good idea.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    actuality the founders did not want people who had no stake in america to vote, becuase they knew that those with no interest, would use the power of the vote, to take from those that had an interest [property], using injustice to do it.


    James madison--This term in its particular application means "that dominion which one man claims and exercises over the external things of the world, in exclusion of every other individual."

    In its larger and juster meaning, it embraces every thing to which a man may attach a value and have a right; and which leaves to every one else the like advantage.

    In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.



    James Madison --The right of suffrage is a fundamental Article in Republican Constitutions. The regulation of it is, at the same time, a task of peculiar delicacy. Allow the right exclusively to property, and the rights of persons may be oppressed. The feudal polity alone sufficiently proves it. Extend it equally to all, and the rights of property or the claims of justice may be overruled by a majority without property, or interested in measures of injustice. Of this abundant proof is afforded by other popular Govts.[democracy] and is not without examples in our own, particularly in the laws impairing the obligation of contracts.



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    Property: James Madison, Note to His Speech on the Right of Suffrage

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