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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true enough. but poor people tend to be more easily seduced with promises of ice cream and candy that some politicians put out

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    Perhaps, and on the other end of the spectrum you have your greedy people who don't care about the country or it's people and vote strictly to benefit themselves.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Oh, you mean because of the Earned Income Tax Credit? The tax break originally formulated by arch-libertarian Milton Friedman? Passed into law by Ronald Reagan? Passed and revised for decades with bipartisan support?

    When those laws were written and passed, did anyone say "by the way, anyone who collects EITC should be disenfranchised?" Reagan certainly didn't:

    "Several months ago in a speech, I said that voting was the most sacred right of free men and women. I pledged that as long as I am in a position to uphold the Constitution, no barrier would ever come between a secret ballot and the citizen's right to cast one. Today I am reaffirming that commitment.

    For this Nation to remain true to its principles, we cannot allow any American's vote to be denied, diluted, or defiled. The right to vote is the crown jewel of American liberties, and we will not see its luster diminished....

    Every American must know he or she can count on an equal chance and an equal vote. The decision we are announcing today benefits all of our citizens by making our democracy stronger and more available to everyone."
    (Ronald Reagan: Statement About Extension of the Voting Rights Act)



    Seriously? You want to disenfranchise half the country, because elected officials of both parties gave them a tax break?!?



    Yeah, that whole "disenfranchise people to help them" policy worked out really great for blacks after the Civil War.
    So in your opinion Reagan was always right? Is he your God?

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
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    I think that may top a list, but in the Ivy League schools they will want to snag aderall as well.
    No coincidence that Obama pushes a free education, classic vote buying and kids will bite.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Perhaps, and on the other end of the spectrum you have your greedy people who don't care about the country or it's people and vote strictly to benefit themselves.
    yep too sides of everything and thats why its a mentally retarded to limit votes based on something as dumb as owning property or other likeness issues
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Milton Friedman made clear after it passed his idea was not followed, but instead twisted into something completely different.
    Yes, he proposed much larger subsidies for those who qualified for his Negative Income Tax proposal. Congress cut back a little on his proposed subsidies, and added the requirement that anyone who qualifies for the EITC must be employed. (The EITC vs. the NIT | National Review Online)


    He even said he learned a powerful lesson from the experience and if I remember correctly quit shortly after as a result of what happened.
    I'm afraid your recollection is incorrect. He was on the President's Economic Policy Advisory Board for the entirety of Reagan's term.


    But this is all a bit aside the point. What astounds me is that conservatives and Republicans are turning their backs on their own policies and their own values, in order to game the political system. They've spent considerable time and effort trying to cut taxes, especially income taxes and any sort of federal taxes. Some on the fringes go so far as to incorrectly claim those taxes are unconstitutional. Conservatives have also pushed us into war after war, in order to spread democracy -- not republicanism, not constitutionalism, but the democratic principle of giving citizens a say in how they are governed. It was a big part of the the rationale for opposing Communism; it's why soldiers and civilians died in wars all across the globe, including Vietnam and Iraq.

    And now, taxes are proposed as as a price one has to pay in order to qualify for the vote? Democracy needs to be restricted to those who pass a civics test every 2 years and don't collect unemployment? And the way to help people is to take away their right to vote?

    Even given the well-reported anti-democratic tendencies of some of the framers, this is so wildly inconsistent that it barely makes any sense. It really looks like conservatives are just giving up on the electoral process.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yep too sides of everything and thats why its a mentally retarded to limit votes based on something as dumb as owning property or other likeness issues
    It's funny to me how we get some of the "gunnies" on here who are constantly talking about how precious the second amendment is to all citizens, to then come here and want to strip some citizens of their right to vote based upon their socioeconomic class. It's stunning actually. You would think they of all people would understand how important it is that all of our citizens have their rights unrestricted by the government.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    How responsible is a convicted felon? We don't let them vote. How responsible is a crack whore with a bunch of illegitimate kids? Should we let her vote? REALLY???
    I take the lives of my passengers into my hands every time I take off. I am entrusted with aircraft worth more money than you will ever have in your entire life, and that's not even counting the net worth of the people sitting in the back. I have a perfect driving record, no criminal history, and am by a wide margin a net taxpayer.

    Am I not responsible?

    If we're going to use an arbitrary standard of "responsible" for being able to vote, I get to decide what it is, not you. Deal?
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    So in your opinion Reagan was always right? Is he your God?
    I'm certainly not a fan of Reagan. The point is that the EITC was based on conservative principles and enjoyed partisan support. The idea that Republicans want to use a tax credit that they came up with as a weapon to disenfranchise citizens is mind-boggling.

    In addition, the idea of democracy was once a core conservative value. I really don't know when conservatives and/or Republicans lost sight of that value; all I can surmise is that it's a result of Republicans blaming the voters when they don't vote for Republicans.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I take the lives of my passengers into my hands every time I take off. I am entrusted with aircraft worth more money than you will ever have in your entire life, and that's not even counting the net worth of the people sitting in the back. I have a perfect driving record, no criminal history, and am by a wide margin a net taxpayer.

    Am I not responsible?

    If we're going to use an arbitrary standard of "responsible" for being able to vote, I get to decide what it is, not you. Deal?
    In another thread when you tried to deny you use lots of gasoline as you whine about AGW you said you fly a little two seat Cessna, now you fly a huge expensive plane or jet even? That's the trouble with telling lies, hard to keep your story's straight.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It's funny to me how we get some of the "gunnies" on here who are constantly talking about how precious the second amendment is to all citizens, to then come here and want to strip some citizens of their right to vote based upon their socioeconomic class. It's stunning actually. You would think they of all people would understand how important it is that all of our citizens have their rights unrestricted by the government.
    actually what the funniest part is to me, is how bad the OP completely failed. I mean somethings are actually debatable but using land ownership is a complete intellectual failure in 2013. Theres no educated rational even behind it. How many people in cities would it disqualify? There are no words to even explain how stupid that idea is.
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