View Poll Results: Should owning property be a requirement to vote

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  • no, let everyone vote

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I do that when I make polls. Because... those who know deep down that their opinion is repugnant and selfish won't vote if they have to stand behind it. I take the trade-off of (hopefully) getting a poll result closer to reality.

    (Some will, most won't)
    anonymous polls suck, I won't vote in them



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Good point-that is how many of us feel about low information voters who are more likely to know who won American Idol than who the chief justice of the USC is. Democrat policies have created massive numbers of dependent children who rely on government as surrogate parents.
    Low information voters aren't restricted to one party or another, or to one socioeconomic class or another either.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Low information voters aren't restricted to one party or another, or to one socioeconomic class or another either.
    true, but there are two themes that pander to them

    1) we will give you stuff

    2) pandering by bible thumpers.



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    true, but there are two themes that pander to them

    1) we will give you stuff

    2) pandering by bible thumpers.
    You're forgetting all of Hollywood I think.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    You're forgetting all of Hollywood I think.
    explain, i don't see your point



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    explain, i don't see your point
    A lot of celebrities could be considered low information voters too, and they don't fall into either of your categories. A lot of rich people could be considered low information voters who only vote for their own wallets.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Don't you understand the fact that only 4.1% of people are collecting welfare?
    I understand that statistic to be misleading. Welfare is statutory procedure designed to promote the material and physical well-being of people in need. That means including most social programs in the calculation of how weighted your vote should be.

    Or the fact that the economy absolutely blows, and a lot of people's positions have been terminated, and a lot of people cannot find jobs? What should they do? Starve?
    What is it with the repeated references to starvation? Throughout this thread my position has been consistent, and this has nothing to do with what choice I think people should make for themselves. Their life's choices and strategies are their business, not mine. What I have said, repeatedly, is that the willful acceptance of state aid is an acceptance of a status of dependence, and with dependence comes a more restricted range of rights.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    A lot of celebrities could be considered low information voters too, and they don't fall into either of your categories. A lot of rich people could be considered low information voters who only vote for their own wallets.
    ah OK -there aren't that many hollyweird libertines who vote dem in reaction to the bible thumpers.

    One of the most influential conservative Legal minds in the USA used to be a SAG member. He said most actors tend to be lefties for two reasons

    a) they despise the religious right (and its not just because hollywood was one of the first places where Jews could achieve based on merit and talent)

    b) because many of them realize that in person-they aren't near the people they portray and they want to be loved so they adopt a political agenda they think will make them popular with the masses

    voting for your wallet can be seen as well informed.



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I understand that statistic to be misleading. Welfare is statutory procedure designed to promote the material and physical well-being of people in need. That means including most social programs in the calculation of how weighted your vote should be.
    Well I posted a link, and that data is updated as of 9/10/2013, according to my link.

    What is it with the repeated references to starvation? Throughout this thread my position has been consistent, and this has nothing to do with what choice I think people should make for themselves. Their life's choices and strategies are their business, not mine. What I have said, repeatedly, is that the willful acceptance of state aid is an acceptance of a status of dependence, and with dependence comes a more restricted range of rights.
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    I disagree entirely. Like others have pointed, there are state and federal benefits that rich people also receive.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Oh, you mean because of the Earned Income Tax Credit? The tax break originally formulated by arch-libertarian Milton Friedman? Passed into law by Ronald Reagan? Passed and revised for decades with bipartisan support?
    Milton Friedman made clear after it passed his idea was not followed, but instead twisted into something completely different. He even said he learned a powerful lesson from the experience and if I remember correctly quit shortly after as a result of what happened.

    You can blame him for giving politicians a spring board for what eventually became law, but you can't blame Milton Friedman for what passed.
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