View Poll Results: Should owning property be a requirement to vote

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    If the government cannot suspend or terminate any of our rights, then there is no government. Government can suspend or terminate virtually any right via due process. Liberty is suspended via incarceration and regulations. Property is suspended by legal penalties and judicial processes. Life is terminated via the death penalty.

    Discounting the weight of a person's vote based on the extent to which they independently manage their affairs is not arbitrary. In fact it is even less arbitrary than having zero voting power at age 17 to suddenly having 100% of one vote at age 18.
    No, I disagree. You want to strip people's rights who are of age and have not committed any crimes.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well there are entire states where there is no state income tax. Should those people have their rights stripped from them too?
    you mean they pay no federal either?

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No, I disagree. You want to strip people's rights who are of age and have not committed any crimes.
    This mischaracterization flies in the face of the thorough rationales I have provided for my opinion. It does not strip them of any right, it simply aligns voting power with the extent to which a person is an independent adult, which is measured by the degree of dependence on the collective for their basic daily needs that they CHOOSE to accept. It is no more unjust than disallowing minors to vote, because they too are considered dependents (not capable of or acknowledged as having financial and legal autonomy).

    Fully financially independent emancipated minors should even have a full vote. Whereas adults whose primary needs are met 100% by government assistance programs should have zero vote.

    Most people, even those on public assistance of various kinds, would still at least have partial votes, under my plan.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Nope, I don't want the government to have the power to strip any of us of any of our rights.
    Obama just stripped millions of choosing what doctors and treatments they get, are you ok with that?

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    you mean they pay no federal either?
    No, but they pay less taxes than others, so perhaps we should strip them of their right to vote too. Oh, let's just take ALL of their rights.

    You know, I know some poor people that have MUCH more character, personality and morals and values than any wealthy person. I guess people like Paris Hilton, Miley Cyrus etc. get a pass. What makes people think that because a person is having a hard time in life means they somehow deserve to lose any of their rights is beyond my understanding.

    There is nothing wrong with using the services that WE provide to help the poor not starve. As a matter of fact, it would selfish not to if you have kids. Have your kids go hungry because of pride?

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    This mischaracterization flies in the face of the thorough rationales I have provided for my opinion. It does not strip them of any right, it simply aligns voting power with the extent to which a person is an independent adult, which is measured by the degree of dependence on the collective for their basic daily needs that they CHOOSE to accept. It is no more unjust than disallowing minors to vote, because they too are considered dependents (not capable of or acknowledged as having financial and legal autonomy).

    Fully financially independent emancipated minors should even have a full vote. Whereas adults whose primary needs are met 100% by government assistance programs should have zero vote.

    Most people, even those on public assistance of various kinds, would still at least have partial votes, under my plan.
    It's NOT a choice for a lot of people. Your plan is stupid, naive and ignorant.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    Obama just stripped millions of choosing what doctors and treatments they get, are you ok with that?
    No I never supported Obamacare. I've been posting about it actually, since we've had this plan in Massachusetts for quite a few years now.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    No kidding, what you're missing is that voting IS a right, not to be removed by government force due to arbitrary reasons.
    Sorry, but nothing in the Constitution explicitly guarantees the right to vote.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    You know what makes this whole property thing even funnier: I would take all my acres, divide them up into tiny chunks, and sell that off as 'Voting Plots' - I could even erect a plaque. "This voting plot is in honor of ___" It would be like a cemetery for our rightfully granted rights.

    It would become a tourist attraction.

    . . . And I'd donate the money to charity and write it off on my taxes . . . and further a cause to overthrow such a ridiculous law.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I think that for many people it isn't a CHOICE.
    WTF? How is it not a choice?

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