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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    There are plenty who don't. Low income or no income. They may pay SS and medicare, but get back all the taxes paid. They then get SNAP and Earned Income Credits as well, which means they are a net user of tax dollars rather than a net contributor.

    Thing is, especially now that 47% of tax filers are net recipients of "other people's money," I see the day coming real soon, where the only politicians getting elected are those who promise to be Robin Hoods. When that happens, we are doomed as a nation.
    I believe that day has arrived.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I believe that day has arrived.
    Pretty much. Might be why the normal annual deficit has doubled since the democrats took congress in 2006/2007.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I don't respond to post that start with dude, so or so what.
    Well thank goodness this dumb ass idea only has three votes yes. Most people are intelligent enough to see where this type of thinking leads, and I can be thankful for that regardless of whether some schmuck answers my posts or not.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    I believe there are some facts that need to be cleared up in regard to only property owners having the right to vote.

    First off the Constitution grants states not Congress the powers to determine the qualifications of voters in a federal election.

    Article I, Section 4, allows Congress to "make or alter such [state] Regulations" regarding "the Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives," in other words Congress's power is about "holding Elections" not about who votes, which is the express focus of Section 2.

    Both Alexander Hamilton and James Madison believed the two clauses to be independent in this way. Hamilton, in The Federalist No. 60, said of Article I, Section 4, that the national government's "authority would be expressly restricted to the regulation of the times, the places, and the manner of elections. The qualifications of the persons who may choose or may be chosen...are defined and fixed in the Constitution; and are unalterable by the [national] legislature."

    In The Federalist No. 52, Madison wrote of Article I, Section 2: "To have left it [the definition of the right of suffrage] open for the occasional regulation of Congress, would have been improper...." Hamilton and Madison believed that generally the state constitutions, and certainly not Congress, would determine who could vote.

    So if you want only property owners to have the right to vote, fine......you can push for such a thing in each of your individual states but constitutionally you have no right to force such a mandate at the national level.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well thank goodness this dumb ass idea only has three votes yes. Most people are intelligent enough to see where this type of thinking leads, and I can be thankful for that regardless of whether some schmuck answers my posts or not.
    I agree with the concept. I just think Sawyerloggingon missed the important change due to the 16th amendment. Now that the Federal government is financed by income taxes rather than property taxes... His OP needs modified, and he acknowledged that.

    I simply didn't vote because of that oversight. I would have voted YES if it included the net taxation we speak of now.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    I agree with the concept. I just think Sawyerloggingon missed the important change due to the 16th amendment. Now that the Federal government is financed by income taxes rather than property taxes... His OP needs modified, and he acknowledged that.

    I simply didn't vote because of that oversight. I would have voted YES if it included the net taxation we speak of now.
    Well then, I hope you don't complain when someone comes after YOUR rights. I mean God forbid you find yourself having a difficult time and have to collect benefits in order to survive and feed your kids.

    I know people who are going through hard times must be too stupid to cast a vote. Gosh if only everyone could be as wonderful as some of you seem to think you are.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well thank goodness this dumb ass idea only has three votes yes. Most people are intelligent enough to see where this type of thinking leads, and I can be thankful for that regardless of whether some schmuck answers my posts or not.
    I don't respond to post that call me amputated dick skin either!

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well then, I hope you don't complain when someone comes after YOUR rights. I mean God forbid you find yourself having a difficult time and have to collect benefits in order to survive and feed your kids.

    I know people who are going through hard times must be too stupid to cast a vote. Gosh if only everyone could be as wonderful as some of you seem to think you are.
    Losing your vote if on welfare would be a good inducement to get off welfare don't you think?

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well thank goodness this dumb ass idea only has three votes yes. Most people are intelligent enough to see where this type of thinking leads, and I can be thankful for that regardless of whether some schmuck answers my posts or not.
    sad part is 3 votes is 3 too many, how sad is it that anybody could be that intellectual void on this topic to even think this is a rational idea.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I believe there are some facts that need to be cleared up in regard to only property owners having the right to vote.

    First off the Constitution grants states not Congress the powers to determine the qualifications of voters in a federal election.

    Article I, Section 4, allows Congress to "make or alter such [state] Regulations" regarding "the Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives," in other words Congress's power is about "holding Elections" not about who votes, which is the express focus of Section 2.

    Both Alexander Hamilton and James Madison believed the two clauses to be independent in this way. Hamilton, in The Federalist No. 60, said of Article I, Section 4, that the national government's "authority would be expressly restricted to the regulation of the times, the places, and the manner of elections. The qualifications of the persons who may choose or may be chosen...are defined and fixed in the Constitution; and are unalterable by the [national] legislature."

    In The Federalist No. 52, Madison wrote of Article I, Section 2: "To have left it [the definition of the right of suffrage] open for the occasional regulation of Congress, would have been improper...." Hamilton and Madison believed that generally the state constitutions, and certainly not Congress, would determine who could vote.

    So if you want only property owners to have the right to vote, fine......you can push for such a thing in each of your individual states but constitutionally you have no right to force such a mandate at the national level.
    Good points really but most of us are talking on a philosophical level not on the nuts and bolts of how you could change voting laws.

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