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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The OP was based on frustration on our current system which is basically if you can breathe you can vote. Going back to the original system of only property owners voting would be far better than what we have now but as has been pointed out in here times have changed. We now get taxes from other than property tax so amending the original system to tax paying Americans instead of land owners has merit and I mean income tax not tax on your groceries you buy with food stamps. The essence of the 1776 rule should remain the same though, only contributing members of society should have the privilege of voting.
    This is my thought as well.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Not technically germane to this thread, but in San Francisco about 10-ish years ago there was a serious push to allow illegal immigrants the ability to vote in local school board elections. As I understand it, it would have been perfectly legal.

    I no longer live there, but if I recall correctly, the move failed.



    As was the original premise in post #1.



    Did you just concede your entire argument with one sentence? Considering that everybody pays taxes of some kind or another, it seems that you have.



    You're trying to find some sort of logical consistency here, and it's not working. You would lower the age to 18 when a draft is in effect, which allows non-drafted people to vote... or you would raise it to 21 in a non-draft era, which would shut out 18-20 yr old volunteers.
    Paying fed tax should be part of deciding who can vote in fed elections. In my "perfect vote" world if you are in the military you get the vote even if under 21. Serving your country is the ultimate rite of passage that should guarantee the ultimate right to vote.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It uses the phrase RIGHT TO VOTE five different times in five different places. If there is no right to vote, why would it use that phrase over and over and over and over again over a span of many decades?
    The right to vote is a right given to certain people by the gov and what the gov givith the gov taketh away. That is why "God given rights are clearly delineated and apply to every single American not chosen Americans. There is no God given right to vote in our constitution or bill of rights.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So what? There are all kinds of fringe groups out there.
    I don't respond to post that start with dude, so or so what.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Sawyer has made numerous statements to the effect that "people who not do X will vote for policy Y." His intention is very clear.

    In addition, rights are not contingent upon paying taxes. If I have no income for 2 years, I do not lose the right to freedom of speech.



    No, that sounds like a straw man.
    Short term setbacks should not remove a persons privileged to vote. Some time method would be appropriate as well. Now I would say 2 years of not working is excessive. Even the times I was laid off from good paying jobs, I found other jobs. Now if a person has a history of paying taxes, finds other work, and for short terms use the social support system, we need a way to accept this. For me, it's the ones that turn the safety net into a hammock that I don't want to vote.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    do you know of any adult who does not pay tax?
    There are plenty who don't. Low income or no income. They may pay SS and medicare, but get back all the taxes paid. They then get SNAP and Earned Income Credits as well, which means they are a net user of tax dollars rather than a net contributor.

    Thing is, especially now that 47% of tax filers are net recipients of "other people's money," I see the day coming real soon, where the only politicians getting elected are those who promise to be Robin Hoods. When that happens, we are doomed as a nation.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Is there supposed to be something significant in these quotes?
    Yeah, keep reading them, and stop being obtuse.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    What I would propose if I had the power would be to go back to the original voting law cited in the OP and start from there. First off I would reinstate the vote for blacks and women, that's a no brainer. After that I would consider age, education and contribution to society factors. Where exactly it would end up I'm not sure but I am sure welfare recipients would not get to vote.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When George Washington was elected only 6% of the population could vote because you had to be a white male property owner over the age of 21. It wasn't until 1856 that the vote was expanded to include all white men. In 1868 black men got the vote and finally in 1920 women got the right to vote . It wasn't until 1972 that the voting age was lowered to 18 and the steady dumbing down of the voter pool was complete. Before people start screaming racist and misogynist that is not my point here. I'm fine with all races and women voting but we never should have dropped the property owner requirement and never should have lowered the voting age to 18. When you have reached a point in your life where you own property you have demonstrated the ability to participate in this society in a contributing way but the main thing is you have skin in the game. At this point you want America to be a stable functioning country that is prosperous and has an effective economy where your hard work will be rewarded and safe guarded. Kids and non property owners are going to vote on and for different issues than they will or would when they are a participating member of our economy and should not be allowed to vote until they do more than hang around the fringes. The extreme example of this is people on welfare voting and kids in school who have never had a job in their lives. These people have nothing to lose and everything to gain by voting against a thriving economy and for give away programs to benefit them and will vote in their own self interest instead of considering what is best for the country at large. IMO we should reinstate the original voting requirement of being a property owner.
    “When the people find that they can vote themselves money,that will herald the end of the republic.” - Benjamin Franklin

    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy." - unknown

    If you are receiving welfare, unemployment, food-stamps, an Obama phone, etc. then you don’t get to vote.

    People receiving social security, Medicare and veteran benefits are exempt from this.
    "Liberalism is a doctrine fostered by a delusional and illogical people and rabidly promoted by the mainstream media and ruling elite which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." - unknown

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