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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well that's true polgara, but I still don't think that children should be voting. I could only imagine the things they'd vote for.
    True that! :

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    True that! :
    Big screen TVs and video games for all!

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Big screen TVs and video games for all!
    Don't forget the hot pockets and coke with real sugar!

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Big screen TVs and video games for all!
    School two hours per day, maximum, with no homework!

    Would you be willing to start a new thread on this? I'll bet the posts would be hilarious, and we all need to laugh more!

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Those who do not believe that the right to vote should extend to all adult citizens should be the first to give up suffrage.

    OP, I'm looking at you.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    If I pay for it - like I do social security - it matters not if it is voluntary or not.
    This goes around and around because Social Security straddles the lines between several inherently different things. Welfare program, retirement program, old age insurance, trust fund, Ponzi scheme... it has features of all of those things, but it is not truly any of those things.

    And in a sense it is voluntary because I have the power and right to withdraw from the American system at any time of my chosing but I stay just the same knowing the rules of the game and I keep playing of my own free will.
    By that weak string of thought, there is no such thing as a mandate in this country because anyone can always GTFO. "Love it or leave it" is weak sauce.

    I ask again - if I am NOT on public assistance and work for a living, am I in this group of a NET TAXPAYER?
    It appears so? I wasn't the one who framed the discussion that way. I framed it in terms of dependence vs. independence in meeting one's needs. The reliance one has on the external to meet one's own basic daily needs like food, housing, and health care should result in proportional discounted in voting power.

    That way, you can be without so much as two nickels to rub together and still have a full vote, as long as you're self-reliant for your personal basic needs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Those who do not believe that the right to vote should extend to all adult citizens should be the first to give up suffrage.

    OP, I'm looking at you.
    Why don't we allow minors to vote?

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Heads will explode...

    "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation , to select and prefer Christians for their rulers. "
    John Jay, The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, Henry P. Johnston, ed. (New York: G.P. Putnams Sons, 1890), Vol. IV, p. 365.

    "The Americans are the first people whom Heaven has favored with an opportunity of deliberating upon and choosing the forms of government under which they should live. "
    John Jay, The Correspondence and Public Papers of John Jay, Henry P. Johnston, ed. (New York: G.P. Putnams Sons, 1890), Vol. I, p. 161.


    "Every male citizen of the commonwealth, liable to taxes or to militia duty in any county, shall have a right to vote for representatives for that county to the legislature. "
    Thomas Jefferson, The Jeffersonian Cyclopedia, John P. Foley, ed. (New York: Funk & Wagnalls Company, 1900), p. 842.


    "When you become entitled to exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers, "just men who will rule in the fear of God." The preservation of government depends on the faithful discharge of this duty; if the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted; laws will be made, not for the public good so much as for selfish or local purposes; corrupt or incompetent men will be appointed to execute the laws; the public revenues will be sqandered on unworthy men; and the rights of the citizens will be violated or disregarded. If a republican government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws. "
    Noah Webster, History of the United States (New Haven: Durrie & Peck, 1832), pp. 336-337, 49.


    "Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual--or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country. "
    Samuel Adams, The Writings of Samuel Adams, Harry Alonzo Cushing, editor (New York: G.P. Putnam's Sons, 1907), Vol. IV, p. 256.

    "Now more than ever the people are responsible for the character of their Congress. If that body be ignorant, reckless, and corrupt, it is because the people tolerate ignorance, recklessness, and corruption."
    James Garfield, "A Century of Congress" published in Atlantic, July 1877.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

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    By that weak string of thought, there is no such thing as a mandate in this country because anyone can always GTFO. "Love it or leave it" is weak sauce.


    I do not advocate LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. You wanna love the country - fine. You don't want to love the nation - thats your right. But do not preach to me how you are forced to do things against your will when you have the choice to not do so. Do not preach to me about being forced to participate in a corrupt system when you have the ability to deny the system your participation on any day you decide to make that choice.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I do not advocate LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. You wanna love the country - fine. You don't want to love the nation - thats your right. But do not preach to me how you are forced to do things against your will when you have the choice to not do so. Do not preach to me about being forced to participate in a corrupt system when you have the ability to deny the system your participation on any day you decide to make that choice.
    Ok, I will continue to not preach to you. But you asked by what formula and/or under what circumstances a person's vote might be discounted, and so I shared my opinion.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Ok, I will continue to not preach to you. But you asked by what formula and/or under what circumstances a person's vote might be discounted, and so I shared my opinion.
    okay. thank you.
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