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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Well... they do sometimes. They dole out the right to build a business with taxpayer funding, they dole out the right to opt out of healthcare. It's not without precedent.
    Neither of those are rights.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    I'm not sure that voters should only be property owners, but I'd certainly entertain the idea that only tax payers should be allowed to vote in federal elections. (After passing a one-time literacy test.) I think that no more than 25% of adults should typically be engaged in voting in federal elections. No one ignorant of the issues should ever vote as a matter of conscience.
    Everyone pays sales tax. And everyone pays into SSN taxes so I am not sure who doesn't pay taxes to the state and federal level. I think you would only be disenfranchising homeless people which doesn't seem worth it to me. Please if only people who are engaged in the issues can vote, I doubt you could get those who could vote up to 25%.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well they sure as heck are not doing it legally.
    Nope. We're just not allowed to do anything to stop it.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Whatever, we are all supposed to be equal in this country. Our government does not get to dole out rights to those who they think are "deserving." Its preposterous.
    No we are not. The laws are to apply equally to us all, which they certainly do not, or a progressive tax would be impossible, as would public assistance.

    It is moreover quite the popular and vapid myth that any law, custom, policy, decree, ruling or command of man can ever make one person equal to another, with the possible exception that they can make people equal in death.

    Myself, could I, I would disenfranchise many people from the vote. The poorly educated for instance, the indolent and so forth.

    But can you give a good set of reasons -- not statements of philosophy, but reasons, why a republic should allow people who are incapable of voting responsibly to do so?
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    Everyone pays sales tax. And everyone pays into SSN taxes so I am not sure who doesn't pay taxes to the state and federal level. I think you would only be disenfranchising homeless people which doesn't seem worth it to me. Please if only people who are engaged in the issues can vote, I doubt you could get those who could vote up to 25%.
    The concept is utterly ridiculous and would disenfranchise most poor people. Obviously there's a lot of hatred here for the poor. It's quite sad and pathetic.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Oftencold View Post
    No we are not. The laws are to apply equally to us all, which they certainly do not, or a progressive tax would be impossible, as would public assistance.

    It is moreover quite the popular and vapid myth that any law, custom, policy, decree, ruling or command of man can ever make one person equal to another, with the possible exception that they can make people equal in death.

    Myself, could I, I would disenfranchise many people from the vote. The poorly educated for instance, the indolent and so forth.

    But can you give a good set of reasons -- not statements of philosophy, but reasons, why a republic should allow people who are incapable of voting responsibly to do so?
    Obviously, by the question you posed, you don't understand the concept of RIGHTS.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by hallam View Post
    Everyone pays sales tax. And everyone pays into SSN taxes so I am not sure who doesn't pay taxes to the state and federal level. I think you would only be disenfranchising homeless people which doesn't seem worth it to me. Please if only people who are engaged in the issues can vote, I doubt you could get those who could vote up to 25%.
    People whose funds come entirely from the State as largess can pay taxes only in an abstract, and fairly ridiculous fashion. In effect, they are merely a conduit to transfer public funds from one account to another. They do not pay of their produced value, or to use an old metaphor, "not from the sweat of their brow." We may safely ignore the taxes that they "pay."
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Neither of those are rights.
    The right to healthcare certainly is... it's now required for every person in America.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Only property owners should vote

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The right to healthcare certainly is... it's now required for every person in America.
    It's not a right in the Constitution, like voting. The only way the government is getting away with this is because they are calling it a "tax." If you don't have health insurance, you don't get thrown in jail, you get a tax penalty.

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