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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you seem to think America stands for cradle to crave social welfare and making winners pay for the stupid mistakes of losers when in reality its all about your rich dem pimps getting rich by pandering to your sense of envious egalitarianism (aka economic vandalism-if you cannot be rich, well damn it, no one else should be either)
    Winners or the third generation of the original winners? Seems some are born on third base and think they hit a stand up triple. What has always brought me a smile is the old saying that under every pile of 'old money' is an 'old thief'.

    All for someone being rich, not so warm and fuzzy for those who's great grand somethings were buddies with politicians and made the pile and then 'lobbied' to keep that pile no matter what sitting around acting like they built the family fortune...

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Winners or the third generation of the original winners? Seems some are born on third base and think they hit a stand up triple. What has always brought me a smile is the old saying that under every pile of 'old money' is an 'old thief'.

    All for someone being rich, not so warm and fuzzy for those who's great grand somethings were buddies with politicians and made the pile and then 'lobbied' to keep that pile no matter what sitting around acting like they built the family fortune...
    You seem upset with the efforts of your ancestors.



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Wrong, congress demanding banks make loans to unqualified borrowers was the cause of the recession.
    Explain why the majority of NPLs came from non-CRA banks then.

    Oh wait. You can't.

    Fyi, not that I expect you to answer this (I predict you're going to run), explain to me how a period of growth based on excessive borrowing at the Federal, Corporate and Individual level where individual savings rates went negative, corporations took on billions in leverage and Federal debts exploded wasn't going to end in a recession when the money stopped?

    The simple fact of the matter is we were headed for a correction simply because we were funding the 2000s with gobs of cheap borrowed money through out our entire economy. You can't live on excess indefinitely. It has to end.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When George Washington was elected only 6% of the population could vote because you had to be a white male property owner over the age of 21. It wasn't until 1856 that the vote was expanded to include all white men. In 1868 black men got the vote and finally in 1920 women got the right to vote . It wasn't until 1972 that the voting age was lowered to 18 and the steady dumbing down of the voter pool was complete. Before people start screaming racist and misogynist that is not my point here. I'm fine with all races and women voting but we never should have dropped the property owner requirement and never should have lowered the voting age to 18. When you have reached a point in your life where you own property you have demonstrated the ability to participate in this society in a contributing way but the main thing is you have skin in the game. At this point you want America to be a stable functioning country that is prosperous and has an effective economy where your hard work will be rewarded and safe guarded. Kids and non property owners are going to vote on and for different issues than they will or would when they are a participating member of our economy and should not be allowed to vote until they do more than hang around the fringes. The extreme example of this is people on welfare voting and kids in school who have never had a job in their lives. These people have nothing to lose and everything to gain by voting against a thriving economy and for give away programs to benefit them and will vote in their own self interest instead of considering what is best for the country at large. IMO we should reinstate the original voting requirement of being a property owner.
    I'm sure this has been pointed out dozens of times, I'm not going to bother to look through these posts, but isn't being eligible to fight in a war for your country having skin in the game? Besides, with the Citizens United ruling, we're essentially back to being ruled by property owners. Democracy ideally should expand voting as much as it can.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Winners or the third generation of the original winners? Seems some are born on third base and think they hit a stand up triple. What has always brought me a smile is the old saying that under every pile of 'old money' is an 'old thief'.

    All for someone being rich, not so warm and fuzzy for those who's great grand somethings were buddies with politicians and made the pile and then 'lobbied' to keep that pile no matter what sitting around acting like they built the family fortune...
    I'm not sure what the point of this rant is other than class warfare. I guess people whose parents send them to good schools and try to set them up for a good life owe society a great debt for their greater chance to success.

    Let's cut to the chase. What do you think we should do with such free loaders?

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, even then all men had sovereignty over their own body and lives.
    That's only if you count suicide as a viable option.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you are saying that those of us who are rich and vote for less government
    Whoa there. You know full well that many rich people vote for more government. How many lawyers vote for the government to reduce restrictions on becoming a lawyer? How many rich people vote for less obstacles to entry in the industries they are in? Big corporations owned by rich people have lobbied decades for more legislation to hamstring their competitors and ensure no start ups pose a threat. And many rich people have voted for years for agricultural welfare that promotes big government.

    Just because you're rich doesn't mean you vote for less government, in many cases being rich means you vote for more government.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Whoa there. You know full well that many rich people vote for more government. How many lawyers vote for the government to reduce restrictions on becoming a lawyer? How many rich people vote for less obstacles to entry in the industries they are in? Big corporations owned by rich people have lobbied decades for more legislation to hamstring their competitors and ensure no start ups pose a threat. And many rich people have voted for years for agricultural welfare that promotes big government.

    Just because you're rich doesn't mean you vote for less government, in many cases being rich means you vote for more government.
    uh that's what I said. many rich people are rich because of the government and they want more of it

    Plaintiffs attorneys are a classic example. some businesses for sure.



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    That's what we have now.
    no its not

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    do you know of any adult who does not pay tax?
    many illegals do not pay any taxes, welfare- no taxes

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