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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I'm absolutely not fine with that. But like I said before I don't think your idea is an acceptable solution to the problem.
    I'm not sure what a rational objection might be...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    The real problem is not who votes but rather the tax system. we would solve a lot of problems if we didn't have a tax system that encourages those who have no skin in the tax game or are net tax consumers, to vote for big spenders because they don't receive the proper feedback (in terms of increased taxes) for the increased spending.

    a consumption or sales tax or even a flat tax where a hike on the rates affects all voters would be a solution to this problem-a solution that is constitutional unlike the proposed one.

    In the alternative, everyone should vote but those who are forced to pay more under our corrupt vote buying system, should have more votes
    I think this is a better tactic for going after the problem than trying to limit who can vote.
    There should be Instant Runoff Voting

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I think this is a better tactic for going after the problem than trying to limit who can vote.
    It's just a different form of limiting a person's vote, and one that would be much more difficult to implement and police...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
    Quote Originally Posted by James D Hill View Post
    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    It's just a different form of limiting a person's vote, and one that would be much more difficult to implement and police...
    Going after the incentives in the tax system. I actually meant to disagree with his last paragraph
    There should be Instant Runoff Voting

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    These people have nothing to lose and everything to gain by voting against a thriving economy and for give away programs to benefit them and will vote in their own self interest instead of considering what is best for the country at large.
    And the moneyed class doesn't vote in its own self-interest? That's absurd.

    This country doesn't just belong to those who own property.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    And the moneyed class doesn't vote in its own self-interest? That's absurd.

    This country doesn't just belong to those who own property.
    so you are saying that those of us who are rich and vote for less government are voting for our own interests vs Rich socialists who vote for more government?

    by George you are right

    and the biggest divide among us in the top one percent are those of us who are rich DESPITE the government vs those who are RICH because of it



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Skin in the game.
    Having "skin in the game" is now restricted only to people who own their own home? This is one of the most asinine things I've ever read.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When George Washington was elected only 6% of the population could vote because you had to be a white male property owner over the age of 21. It wasn't until 1856 that the vote was expanded to include all white men. In 1868 black men got the vote and finally in 1920 women got the right to vote . It wasn't until 1972 that the voting age was lowered to 18 and the steady dumbing down of the voter pool was complete. Before people start screaming racist and misogynist that is not my point here. I'm fine with all races and women voting but we never should have dropped the property owner requirement and never should have lowered the voting age to 18. When you have reached a point in your life where you own property you have demonstrated the ability to participate in this society in a contributing way but the main thing is you have skin in the game. At this point you want America to be a stable functioning country that is prosperous and has an effective economy where your hard work will be rewarded and safe guarded. Kids and non property owners are going to vote on and for different issues than they will or would when they are a participating member of our economy and should not be allowed to vote until they do more than hang around the fringes. The extreme example of this is people on welfare voting and kids in school who have never had a job in their lives. These people have nothing to lose and everything to gain by voting against a thriving economy and for give away programs to benefit them and will vote in their own self interest instead of considering what is best for the country at large. IMO we should reinstate the original voting requirement of being a property owner.
    While I sympathize with your desire to have a more invested, intelligent electorate, any idea you come up with to change the current system is never going to happen. Once you go to certain points, it is impossible to turn back whether the result would be better or not. Once you allow universal suffrage above the age of 18 with no other qualifying requirements, you cannot take that right away. For better or worse.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    As defined in 1776 property is land.

    "Only people who own land can vote
    Declaration of Independence signed. Right to vote during the Colonial and Revolutionary periods is restricted to property owners—most of whom are white male Protestants over the age of 21."
    As defined in 1776, people could also be property.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    As defined in 1776, people could also be property.
    People are property of themselves.

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