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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    You cited the increase in people receiving benefits. A big chunk of that increase is people retiring.

    Not to mention that the increase in, for example, food stamp eligibility dates back to everyone's favorite "compassionate conservative," Bush 43. The big temporary increase in unemployment is due to -- wait for it -- a massive recession. Or do you genuinely believe that a large group of Americans all decided not to work, so they could collect that sweet $250/month in food stamps?

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    I'm sorry, but if you're too lazy to read my initial post, that's not my fault...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I think only taxpayers should be allowed to vote, if you aren't literally contributing to our society why should you have any say in it?
    As if tax dollars are the only meaningful contribution to society. Stay at home moms, retirees and students, among others, should have their interests represented as any other.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    I'm sorry, but if you're too lazy to read my initial post, that's not my fault...
    I read and responded to it. I guess you missed it.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1062358832

    You've come up with a separate argument to which I have responded, namely that "for the crime of collecting a benefit, citizens should be disenfranchised, no trial necessary." Given the variety of reasons why someone might collect benefits, this is unacceptable.

    For example: What about veterans? If a vet has PTSD and has to collect food stamps, should he or she also have a "time out" from voting, so they can think about the bad things they're doing by receiving taxpayer dollars?

    Gussy it up how you like. It's just another example of someone trying to prevent poor people from having any say in how they are governed.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    In Washington's time, land owners were the most likely to be educated, literate men of business. They had to be, because we didn't have the broad institution of finance and loans that allow anyone with (hell these days, even without) credit to buy property. Limiting voting rights to land owners won't guarantee anything. A test that requires people to demonstrate that they understand the functions and workings of our government, and the Constitution would be a far superior filter that ensures quality voting, instead of votes from idiots who constantly fall for the same broken promises.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I read and responded to it. I guess you missed it.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/...post1062358832

    You've come up with a separate argument to which I have responded, namely that "for the crime of collecting a benefit, citizens should be disenfranchised, no trial necessary." Given the variety of reasons why someone might collect benefits, this is unacceptable.

    For example: What about veterans? If a vet has PTSD and has to collect food stamps, should he or she also have a "time out" from voting, so they can think about the bad things they're doing by receiving taxpayer dollars?

    Gussy it up how you like. It's just another example of someone trying to prevent poor people from having any say in how they are governed.
    Why did you choose to use a chart of our aging population to make a point? If you want to remain on topic with what I have posted, I'm here and will respond though not to straw men replies...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    How many times is it necessary that it would be about behavior, not beliefs? Is this concept really that hard? You have seemed to agree in previous posts...
    You're missing my point. The behavior and beliefs are connected. It's not universally accepted the behavior is wrong and needs to be changed, it's your belief. It's my belief too but it isn't everyone's. they disagree that it is harmful and needs to be changed. Suffrage shouldn't be taken away based on conflicting beliefs.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    You're missing my point. The behavior and beliefs are connected. It's not universally accepted the behavior is wrong and needs to be changed, it's your belief. It's my belief too but it isn't everyone's. they disagree that it is harmful and needs to be changed. Suffrage shouldn't be taken away based on conflicting beliefs.
    So you're fine with our never ending expansion dependence on entitlement programs to appease those who receive the benefits at the detriment of the country?
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    I am for gay marriage because it ticks off Jesus freaks and social conservatives. Gays are also good voters because the vote for my side so I fight next to them.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    I'd be fine with a property requirement, so long as:

    1. All disenfranchised people are exempt from any and all taxes.
    2. No disenfranchised person may be conscripted for military service. Any disenfranchised people who join the military are automatically rewarded with property upon their return from service.
    3. Jail time for a disenfranchised person is less than half that of someone eligible for voting. If they don't get to determine what the law is, they should not be as affected by it.

    As you can see, we'd have to radically change our legal system just to make property disenfranchisement remotely fair. I'm actually one of those who believe that adequate housing is a human right, so we'd basically be taking away someone's right because they don't have access to another right.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    The real problem is not who votes but rather the tax system. we would solve a lot of problems if we didn't have a tax system that encourages those who have no skin in the tax game or are net tax consumers, to vote for big spenders because they don't receive the proper feedback (in terms of increased taxes) for the increased spending.

    a consumption or sales tax or even a flat tax where a hike on the rates affects all voters would be a solution to this problem-a solution that is constitutional unlike the proposed one.

    In the alternative, everyone should vote but those who are forced to pay more under our corrupt vote buying system, should have more votes



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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    So you're fine with our never ending expansion dependence on entitlement programs to appease those who receive the benefits at the detriment of the country?
    I'm absolutely not fine with that. But like I said before I don't think your idea is an acceptable solution to the problem.
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