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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Age gives life experience that is invaluable when assessing who and what to vote for or against. When I was 18 I was a super lib that didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. By the time I was 30 I was well down the road to abandoning my childish dreams.
    You mean your childhood dreams. Being a right-winger and publicly calling yourself an "Independent" is pretty childish.

    Like the saying goes: There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

    Which still doesn't explain which is which. "Who is John Galt"? A terrorist who caused more damage than any orc.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    "Rights" are clearly spelled out in the Bill Of Rights and there is no right to vote.
    You see no issue with that?

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Too simple really. I suspect you do not have the slightest idea as to what you are talking about and that is why you are avoiding like the plague answering the direct question: What is the formula I need to apply to my own life to see if I am a contributor or the opposite?

    But please - prove me wrong - by giving me the formula. DO IT.
    A formula would have to be created, as this is still a proposal. But okay: Divide your personal expenditures in various areas (health care, food, utilities, housing, transportation, child care, etc.) by the amount of government assistance you received in those areas (Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, TANF, SNAP, WIC, Section 8, etc. etc.), average them, and, if the result is less than 1, that is the percentage weight your vote carries.

    That way people on welfare are still able to vote, but the vote is weighted proportionally to the extent that they're independent adults with respect to meeting their own needs.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    I am in favor of restricting the vote to as few people as possible, ideally none.

    To me, this is a step in the right direction.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    The OP was based on frustration on our current system which is basically if you can breathe you can vote.
    If you can breathe, and you're a citizen, you should have a say in how government affects your life.

    It is a failing, not an advantage, of the US Constitution that the right to vote is not explicitly spelled out.


    The essence of the 1776 rule should remain the same though, only contributing members of society should have the privilege of voting....

    ....the case could be made for raising [the age requirement] to 30.
    Your policy recommendations may have changed, but the intention obviously has not. Your goal is to disenfranchise people who vote differently than you. You can't even be bothered to base your position on principle -- it's all based on the consequence of someone voting for things you don't like.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When George Washington was elected only 6% of the population could vote because you had to be a white male property owner over the age of 21. It wasn't until 1856 that the vote was expanded to include all white men. In 1868 black men got the vote and finally in 1920 women got the right to vote . It wasn't until 1972 that the voting age was lowered to 18 and the steady dumbing down of the voter pool was complete. Before people start screaming racist and misogynist that is not my point here. I'm fine with all races and women voting but we never should have dropped the property owner requirement and never should have lowered the voting age to 18. When you have reached a point in your life where you own property you have demonstrated the ability to participate in this society in a contributing way but the main thing is you have skin in the game. At this point you want America to be a stable functioning country that is prosperous and has an effective economy where your hard work will be rewarded and safe guarded. Kids and non property owners are going to vote on and for different issues than they will or would when they are a participating member of our economy and should not be allowed to vote until they do more than hang around the fringes. The extreme example of this is people on welfare voting and kids in school who have never had a job in their lives. These people have nothing to lose and everything to gain by voting against a thriving economy and for give away programs to benefit them and will vote in their own self interest instead of considering what is best for the country at large. IMO we should reinstate the original voting requirement of being a property owner.
    I'm fine only letting property owners vote, but only if we also only require property owners to follow the laws and pay the taxes that the representatives of the property owners vote for.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    If you can breathe, and you're a citizen, you should have a say in how government affects your life.

    It is a failing, not an advantage, of the US Constitution that the right to vote is not explicitly spelled out.

    Your policy recommendations may have changed, but the intention obviously has not. Your goal is to disenfranchise people who vote differently than you. You can't even be bothered to base your position on principle -- it's all based on the consequence of someone voting for things you don't like.
    So, in your simplistic view, my four year old granddaughter should have a say in how government affects her life? I don't agree. The Constitution left it up to the States to determine the qualifications to vote for members of their legislators, and those same rules apply to federal offices. It has since been modified to deny States the ability to disenfranchise individuals based on certain characteristics. Now that tax dollars forcibly sent to the federal government by individuals and subsequently sent to other individuals to meet basic needs, there should be a discussion on this subject.

    IMV, any individual who has received an entitlement payment (excluding SS and Medicare) within 180 days of a federal election should be disenfranchised from voting as they would likely vote for a candidate that supported continuation of those payments...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Your policy recommendations may have changed, but the intention obviously has not. Your goal is to disenfranchise people who vote differently than you. You can't even be bothered to base your position on principle -- it's all based on the consequence of someone voting for things you don't like.
    No, it's about rights being commensurate with responsibilities.

    Imagine three children trying to democratically vote themselves allowances of 60% of the parents' income. One person, one vote, 20% of the family income. Sound fair?

    No, because the children do not have responsibilities, so democratic process cannot effectively work that way. You would expect the parents to laugh and say "you'll get 60% of the family income when you're responsible for paying for all your own needs plus 60% of the family's shared bills." And that would be rational.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    I'd gladly give up my right to vote in exchange for an exemption from all taxes. And yes, I do own property.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    IMV, any individual who has received an entitlement payment (excluding SS and Medicare) within 180 days of a federal election should be disenfranchised from voting as they would likely vote for a candidate that supported continuation of those payments...
    I don't think we should be disenfranchising voters based on how they're likely to vote, even if its for something I don't like.
    There should be Instant Runoff Voting

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