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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The idea that 18 year olds and non-property owners don't have a stake is completely false. The laws our elected officials create effect everyone. I do not think that before 1856 only property owners were sent to war or drafted for military or militia service.

    That said I think tax increases should only be voted on by the voters whom those tax increases will effect,for example if we want to increase taxes on people who make fifty thousand or more a year then only voters who make fifty thousand or more a year can vote on those tax increases and any tax increases on tobacco will only be voted on by tobacco users, and so on.
    My position on this has evolved on this since I read all the post between my OP and my lunch break. You'd have to go back a dozen post or so.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    In your message you declare that blacks and women are "dumb."

    If you have anything of your life history demonstrating property owning men are smarter than "blacks" and "women" - do tell us all what that is.
    In HIS life history? In the immortal words of Robert Hays, "Surely, you can't be serious."

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    As of this time, the votes are 36-1 against this asinine, right wing nonsense. This may be a new record for polls of this kind.
    I agree but the poll is also private which in most cases is the worse way to make a poll, usually they just get spammed but this idea was so mentally retarded and such a complete failure not even a spammer wanted to play along.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    It - US Constitution in five different places. Do you consider that a left wing web site?
    Put in context their is no spelled out right to vote. Here is a site you should find an acceptable source of information on this.

    "Beyond the Voting Rights Act: Why We Need a Constitutional Right to Vote"

    Beyond the Voting Rights Act: Why We Need a Constitutional Right to Vote

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    So a fundamental value of the United States is not a right? So the president could restrict the vote to a select few individuals thus creating an oligarchy and nothing legally would be wrong with that? Wasn't voting and democratic participation a fundamental American value?
    "Rights" are clearly spelled out in the Bill Of Rights and there is no right to vote.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When George Washington was elected only 6% of the population could vote because you had to be a white male property owner over the age of 21. It wasn't until 1856 that the vote was expanded to include all white men. In 1868 black men got the vote and finally in 1920 women got the right to vote . It wasn't until 1972 that the voting age was lowered to 18 and the steady dumbing down of the voter pool was complete. Before people start screaming racist and misogynist that is not my point here. I'm fine with all races and women voting but we never should have dropped the property owner requirement and never should have lowered the voting age to 18. When you have reached a point in your life where you own property you have demonstrated the ability to participate in this society in a contributing way but the main thing is you have skin in the game. At this point you want America to be a stable functioning country that is prosperous and has an effective economy where your hard work will be rewarded and safe guarded. Kids and non property owners are going to vote on and for different issues than they will or would when they are a participating member of our economy and should not be allowed to vote until they do more than hang around the fringes. The extreme example of this is people on welfare voting and kids in school who have never had a job in their lives. These people have nothing to lose and everything to gain by voting against a thriving economy and for give away programs to benefit them and will vote in their own self interest instead of considering what is best for the country at large. IMO we should reinstate the original voting requirement of being a property owner.
    You do realize that includes people who live in apartments cant vote since they technically don't own a home or land . If you suggest that people who live in apartments are on the fringe of society you are wrong. Its expensive to own a home and maintain it as well as they aren't going to vote for someone who will keep apartment prices down and will not have a biased for it . ( since no one brings that as a issue with voting )

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    On the age issue I agreed with lowering it when there was a draft but as you say that is gone and I think the vote should be gone with it. We have school kids with no life experience choosing our leaders.

    EDIT: In fact the case could be made for raising it to 30.
    Besides the draft, back then most kids did not go to college, having a HS diploma was an accomplishment. A lot of kids dropped out of HS and went to work on farms and in factories. So by the age of 21 it was expected each individual would be out of school and on their own. I mean they would have a bit of real world experiences under their belt instead of just theories given to them by teachers. They would have had time to see if those theories worked and how they effected the masses. The higher age would limit the number of impressionable individuals, give them to evaluate and make decision based on their own experiences and less on impressions other relay to them.
    I do think 30 is too high, perhaps 24 or 25.

    But then again, how many people actually weight the issues, follow politics and governance. Very darn few. So does the age really make all that much of a difference?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Un biased View Post
    You do realize that includes people who live in apartments cant vote since they technically don't own a home or land . If you suggest that people who live in apartments are on the fringe of society you are wrong. Its expensive to own a home and maintain it as well as they aren't going to vote for someone who will keep apartment prices down and will not have a biased for it . ( since no one brings that as a issue with voting )
    My position has evolved, I should start a new thread.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Besides the draft, back then most kids did not go to college, having a HS diploma was an accomplishment. A lot of kids dropped out of HS and went to work on farms and in factories. So by the age of 21 it was expected each individual would be out of school and on their own. I mean they would have a bit of real world experiences under their belt instead of just theories given to them by teachers. They would have had time to see if those theories worked and how they effected the masses. The higher age would limit the number of impressionable individuals, give them to evaluate and make decision based on their own experiences and less on impressions other relay to them.
    I do think 30 is too high, perhaps 24 or 25.

    But then again, how many people actually weight the issues, follow politics and governance. Very darn few. So does the age really make all that much of a difference?
    Age gives life experience that is invaluable when assessing who and what to vote for or against. When I was 18 I was a super lib that didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. By the time I was 30 I was well down the road to abandoning my childish dreams.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Age gives life experience that is invaluable when assessing who and what to vote for or against. When I was 18 I was a super lib that didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. By the time I was 30 I was well down the road to abandoning my childish dreams.
    You can get shot at and trained for war but you cant vote see something wrong with that picture . Most Of the immature 18 teens probably wouldn't vote any way . They would be to busy with their phones .

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