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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The US Constitution mentions the right to vote five different times in five different places.
    Stay out of those left wing web sites, they tend to take things out of context.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Well first of all it is not unconstitutional, voting is not a constitutional right.
    So the right to guns and free speech are but not to vote?

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Comunitee.com View Post
    It would be far easier for them to get off those programs if the election resulted in politicians who passed jobs bills and minimum-wage increases. Therefore, they have the duty to vote, not just the right.
    People getting free money will vote for more free money not jobs and that is precisely why they should not be allowed to vote.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When George Washington was elected only 6% of the population could vote because you had to be a white male property owner over the age of 21. It wasn't until 1856 that the vote was expanded to include all white men. In 1868 black men got the vote and finally in 1920 women got the right to vote . It wasn't until 1972 that the voting age was lowered to 18 and the steady dumbing down of the voter pool was complete. Before people start screaming racist and misogynist that is not my point here. I'm fine with all races and women voting but we never should have dropped the property owner requirement and never should have lowered the voting age to 18. When you have reached a point in your life where you own property you have demonstrated the ability to participate in this society in a contributing way but the main thing is you have skin in the game. At this point you want America to be a stable functioning country that is prosperous and has an effective economy where your hard work will be rewarded and safe guarded. Kids and non property owners are going to vote on and for different issues than they will or would when they are a participating member of our economy and should not be allowed to vote until they do more than hang around the fringes. The extreme example of this is people on welfare voting and kids in school who have never had a job in their lives. These people have nothing to lose and everything to gain by voting against a thriving economy and for give away programs to benefit them and will vote in their own self interest instead of considering what is best for the country at large. IMO we should reinstate the original voting requirement of being a property owner.
    I think raising the voting age to 21 has merit or at least should be considered. One has to remember when the voting age was lowered, so to was the drinking age lowered to 18. One of the driving forces was to give those young members of the armed forces a say in government. Now that the draft is no longer and that the drinking age has been raised back to 21, perhaps it is time to raise the voting age back up too.

    But I will have to give this some more thought before I come down on one side or the other. But this portion is worth thinking about.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    So the right to guns and free speech are but not to vote?
    That would be yes.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think raising the voting age to 21 has merit or at least should be considered. One has to remember when the voting age was lowered, so to was the drinking age lowered to 18. One of the driving forces was to give those young members of the armed forces a say in government. Now that the draft is no longer and that the drinking age has been raised back to 21, perhaps it is time to raise the voting age back up too.

    But I will have to give this some more thought before I come down on one side or the other. But this portion is worth thinking about.
    On the age issue I agreed with lowering it when there was a draft but as you say that is gone and I think the vote should be gone with it. We have school kids with no life experience choosing our leaders.

    EDIT: In fact the case could be made for raising it to 30.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When George Washington was elected only 6% of the population could vote because you had to be a white male property owner over the age of 21. It wasn't until 1856 that the vote was expanded to include all white men. In 1868 black men got the vote and finally in 1920 women got the right to vote . It wasn't until 1972 that the voting age was lowered to 18 and the steady dumbing down of the voter pool was complete. Before people start screaming racist and misogynist that is not my point here. I'm fine with all races and women voting but we never should have dropped the property owner requirement and never should have lowered the voting age to 18. When you have reached a point in your life where you own property you have demonstrated the ability to participate in this society in a contributing way but the main thing is you have skin in the game. At this point you want America to be a stable functioning country that is prosperous and has an effective economy where your hard work will be rewarded and safe guarded. Kids and non property owners are going to vote on and for different issues than they will or would when they are a participating member of our economy and should not be allowed to vote until they do more than hang around the fringes. The extreme example of this is people on welfare voting and kids in school who have never had a job in their lives. These people have nothing to lose and everything to gain by voting against a thriving economy and for give away programs to benefit them and will vote in their own self interest instead of considering what is best for the country at large. IMO we should reinstate the original voting requirement of being a property owner.
    The idea that 18 year olds and non-property owners don't have a stake is completely false. The laws our elected officials create effect everyone. I do not think that before 1856 only property owners were sent to war or drafted for military or militia service.

    That said I think tax increases should only be voted on by the voters whom those tax increases will effect,for example if we want to increase taxes on people who make fifty thousand or more a year then only voters who make fifty thousand or more a year can vote on those tax increases and any tax increases on tobacco will only be voted on by tobacco users, and so on.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    That would be yes.
    So a fundamental value of the United States is not a right? So the president could restrict the vote to a select few individuals thus creating an oligarchy and nothing legally would be wrong with that? Wasn't voting and democratic participation a fundamental American value?

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    As of this time, the votes are 36-1 against this asinine, right wing nonsense. This may be a new record for polls of this kind.
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Stay out of those left wing web sites, they tend to take things out of context.
    It - the right to vote - is in the US Constitution in five different places. Do you consider that a left wing web site?
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