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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Please explain that.

    It simply does not compute. I don't see anything immoral, wanting to have ones taxes reduced. I find it very offensive and immoral for people demanding government give them more of other people's money.

    Are these "rich" asking the government to take "poor" people's money?
    I'm sure it doesn't compute to you. Then again, you're probably of the opinion that consumer protection laws are completely unnecessary. Corporations... generally run by "rich people"... are always the first to advocate, and lobby for, as few consumer protections laws as they can possibly get away with.

    Just one example. Not that I expect you to accept or acknowledge it, of course, but it is also for other's consumption in the thread as well.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Who is the one vote for the OP's opinion? The OP himself?
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Kind of an all-or-nothing concept. What would qualify as "property?" Would some people look to buy a square foot of property in western Texas for the right to vote? And so on and so forth with a million more questions.

    The underlying question is whether some people should have more voting rights or power than others. It already is this way. Children cannot vote.

    The interesting question to me is not that welfare recipients or non-property owners should not be able to vote, or based entirely on taxes paid or not paid, but rather that perhaps people's vote should count only to the extent that they are autonomous adults. If 10% of your needs are met by social programs, you can cast 90% of a vote. If it's 100%, you don't get a vote. That way, even if you have $0.00 to your name and own no property, as long as you're not relying on public assistance, you still have a vote that counts.

    To accept public assistance from government social welfare programs should be seen as a relinquishment of legal autonomy and independence, and with that should come a decreased weight in the power of one's vote (as well as other legal rights). You can't be a dependent while retaining all the rights and duties of independence. There has to be a trade-off. That's a lesson people should have learned in their teenage years.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    What would be the point in restricting voters votes?

    I don't and likely wouldn't favor any form of restrictions. If I did - and this is just a nonexistent if - then it would be that more voters are educated... BUT, then more government would equal more problems. People who couldn't receive an education nor pass, would feel restricted... And that would be bad if they still understood even the basics and voted based on who the best candidate was, based on the merits of their ideas, accomplishments, and experience. And not on personal qualities which are pretty much pointless to how good they would do.

    So... see? Lots of things sound nice in theory, but don't work in practice.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    True. I think it should be changed. Only productive citizens should vote, rather than those who vote politicians promising "leech" bills.
    So if investors buy a house for 90k and sell it 20 months later for 180k with 10k invested in taxes, paint fees etc., they have been productive. Kool!
    If someone bough BP after the spill and sold it a few months later for very much more than he paid he was productive.
    If a company sells it rights to its logo to a PO box Cayman Island company that the owner of the company owns and pays himself rent that is essentially untaxed, for its use is productive.
    I understand.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Well, times have changed. Then, our tax system was based primarily on taxation of property and tariffs. Now it is mostly funded by income taxation.

    Those who are net users of government money rather than net contributors, are the ones who should not vote if that's what you are looking for.
    A couple of others have pointed that out and it is food for thought.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Kind of an all-or-nothing concept. What would qualify as "property?" Would some people look to buy a square foot of property in western Texas for the right to vote? And so on and so forth with a million more questions.

    The underlying question is whether some people should have more voting rights or power than others. It already is this way. Children cannot vote.

    The interesting question to me is not that welfare recipients or non-property owners should not be able to vote, or based entirely on taxes paid or not paid, but rather that perhaps people's vote should count only to the extent that they are autonomous adults. If 10% of your needs are met by social programs, you can cast 90% of a vote. If it's 100%, you don't get a vote. That way, even if you have $0.00 to your name and own no property, as long as you're not relying on public assistance, you still have a vote that counts.

    To accept public assistance from government social welfare programs should be seen as a relinquishment of legal autonomy and independence, and with that should come a decreased weight in the power of one's vote (as well as other legal rights). You can't be a dependent while retaining all the rights and duties of independence. There has to be a trade-off. That's a lesson people should have learned in their teenage years.
    More food for thought and some good ideas.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Well, times have changed. Then, our tax system was based primarily on taxation of property and tariffs. Now it is mostly funded by income taxation.

    Those who are net users of government money rather than net contributors, are the ones who should not vote if that's what you are looking for.
    I would very much like to know if I and others are NET USERS or NET CONTRIBUTORS. Could you please post the formula so I can apply it and find out the answer to this question?
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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When George Washington was elected only 6% of the population could vote because you had to be a white male property owner over the age of 21. It wasn't until 1856 that the vote was expanded to include all white men. In 1868 black men got the vote and finally in 1920 women got the right to vote . It wasn't until 1972 that the voting age was lowered to 18 and the steady dumbing down of the voter pool was complete. Before people start screaming racist and misogynist that is not my point here. I'm fine with all races and women voting but we never should have dropped the property owner requirement and never should have lowered the voting age to 18. When you have reached a point in your life where you own property you have demonstrated the ability to participate in this society in a contributing way but the main thing is you have skin in the game. At this point you want America to be a stable functioning country that is prosperous and has an effective economy where your hard work will be rewarded and safe guarded. Kids and non property owners are going to vote on and for different issues than they will or would when they are a participating member of our economy and should not be allowed to vote until they do more than hang around the fringes. The extreme example of this is people on welfare voting and kids in school who have never had a job in their lives. These people have nothing to lose and everything to gain by voting against a thriving economy and for give away programs to benefit them and will vote in their own self interest instead of considering what is best for the country at large. IMO we should reinstate the original voting requirement of being a property owner.
    I don't think property ownership is a good enough measure of proper citizenship and lack of land ownership a good enough measure of poor citizenship to take the vote away from those who don't own property.
    There should be Instant Runoff Voting

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    The OP was based on frustration on our current system which is basically if you can breathe you can vote. Going back to the original system of only property owners voting would be far better than what we have now but as has been pointed out in here times have changed. We now get taxes from other than property tax so amending the original system to tax paying Americans instead of land owners has merit and I mean income tax not tax on your groceries you buy with food stamps. The essence of the 1776 rule should remain the same though, only contributing members of society should have the privilege of voting.

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