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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When George Washington was elected only 6% of the population could vote because you had to be a white male property owner over the age of 21. It wasn't until 1856 that the vote was expanded to include all white men. In 1868 black men got the vote and finally in 1920 women got the right to vote . It wasn't until 1972 that the voting age was lowered to 18 and the steady dumbing down of the voter pool was complete. Before people start screaming racist and misogynist that is not my point here. I'm fine with all races and women voting but we never should have dropped the property owner requirement and never should have lowered the voting age to 18. When you have reached a point in your life where you own property you have demonstrated the ability to participate in this society in a contributing way but the main thing is you have skin in the game. At this point you want America to be a stable functioning country that is prosperous and has an effective economy where your hard work will be rewarded and safe guarded. Kids and non property owners are going to vote on and for different issues than they will or would when they are a participating member of our economy and should not be allowed to vote until they do more than hang around the fringes. The extreme example of this is people on welfare voting and kids in school who have never had a job in their lives. These people have nothing to lose and everything to gain by voting against a thriving economy and for give away programs to benefit them and will vote in their own self interest instead of considering what is best for the country at large. IMO we should reinstate the original voting requirement of being a property owner.
    What would be interesting would be an optimization model for society. Without that I do not see how the question can be answered. Of hand, I do not know of any papers that do that.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I focused on your first point because it was so critically wrong.
    Is it?

    Why is voting a "privilege?" Who decided that? What criteria did they use? Are the only people who can declare what is or is not a right, a bunch of dead white politicians from the late 18th century? Why do other nations recognize it as a right, rather than a privilege?

    Besides, you obviously don't care about anyone's rights. What you care about is making sure that people vote the way you want them to vote.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Anyway I have to get to work and thank you to the few people that debated this topic intelligently. The rest of you that went ballistic and threw temper tantrums reinforce my opinion in the OP. You react emotionally and are not property owners because you have made poor decisions for yourselves and IMO you should not be allowed to make poor decisions for America. GET A JOB!
    What about me! Oh, I don't have a job. I'm retired. I guess you don't want me to vote.
    Last edited by OhIsee.Then; 09-25-13 at 12:23 PM. Reason: add

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    I want to go back to common sense which is something our founders had in abundance and is very rare today as your post proves nicely.
    The founders had the concept called "no taxation without representation". Apparently you don't believe in that.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    Literacy test were tried in the late 1800s and were immediately labeled racist and thrown out.
    Actually they stuck around until the mid 1900's in the South, along with general education tests and the so-called 'poll taxes'. Condi Rice tells the story of how her dad became a Republican in the deep south. Her mom was very light skinned and was asked who the first President was, her dad, very dark was asked how many candies were in a jar. The Republican clerk heard that and told her dad the GOP has no such hoops to jump through and Condi's dad became a Republican that day. (and today it is the GOP who wants to 'tighten up' voting regulations... wadda world.... )

    One thing that runs against your story is all white men had the vote, from illiterate factory/farm/mine workers to the Rockerfellers as our nation rose to power.

    While 18 year old and minority men can be a large segment is some parts of the nation the biggest influx, nationally, of voters are women. So you seem to be blaming the dumbing down of the vote on women being allowed to vote...

    Another fella opined only taxpayers should vote in national elections- silly qualification, all that takes to circumvent is everyone sending the IRS a penny, which would cost more to process than it is worth.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Let everybody vote but only count some as part of a vote.



    Really?

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by Torrent View Post
    No. All Property was fought for. The looser through out history got killed, got removed, or became citizens of the new owners. Its a argument that ticks me off alot. In europe, asia, africa, austrialia it was more or less fine that people got removed from there land due to theft, loss in war, treason, and trickery. but in north and south america its the worst ever? And the native people where fighting and tradeing territory long before the europeans showed up.
    As far as should Property owners have exclusive votes... I'm more along the lines of vote should be limited to those that want to pay a set % of there income. Like 10% so the people that don't care at all or don't add anything to the system don't get a vote just "cuz". But anyone that wants to can. You want a say in the country pay for it.
    Its the problem of that the vote of someone who spent hours doing 'homework' on the subjects and politics, has the same power as the vote just cuz the R or D, or something even more stupid. ( I like this one's race, or becuase I hated the other guys race. etc)
    If there is a cost to voteing it won't elemenate knee jerk voteing but it will limit it to the people that actually care.
    (but you would have to be very careful as it could be abused)
    Just had to throw that race card down, didnt ya.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Another fella opined only taxpayers should vote in national elections- silly qualification, all that takes to circumvent is everyone sending the IRS a penny, which would cost more to process than it is worth.
    Buy a gallon of gasoline and you've paid federal tax.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    When George Washington was elected only 6% of the population could vote because you had to be a white male property owner over the age of 21. It wasn't until 1856 that the vote was expanded to include all white men. In 1868 black men got the vote and finally in 1920 women got the right to vote . It wasn't until 1972 that the voting age was lowered to 18 and the steady dumbing down of the voter pool was complete. Before people start screaming racist and misogynist that is not my point here. I'm fine with all races and women voting but we never should have dropped the property owner requirement and never should have lowered the voting age to 18. When you have reached a point in your life where you own property you have demonstrated the ability to participate in this society in a contributing way but the main thing is you have skin in the game. At this point you want America to be a stable functioning country that is prosperous and has an effective economy where your hard work will be rewarded and safe guarded. Kids and non property owners are going to vote on and for different issues than they will or would when they are a participating member of our economy and should not be allowed to vote until they do more than hang around the fringes. The extreme example of this is people on welfare voting and kids in school who have never had a job in their lives. These people have nothing to lose and everything to gain by voting against a thriving economy and for give away programs to benefit them and will vote in their own self interest instead of considering what is best for the country at large. IMO we should reinstate the original voting requirement of being a property owner.
    I think we should only let poor people vote. They are the ones that need govt.most. If you make $100,000 or more a year you are banned from voting.

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    Re: Only property owners should vote

    Quote Originally Posted by sawyerloggingon View Post
    On the contrary I think people buying property so they could vote would force them into buying part of America and caring more about America than their own self interest.

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    Personally I think we should give the idea presented in the OP some serious consideration. I see a business opportunity here which could make me millions.

    Take for example the concept from the image above. Now I go out into the middle of no-where and buy a couple of acre (or even miles) of worthless land. I just did a quick check and I can buy desert in New Mexico for about $2,500 per acre. There are 6,272,640 square inches in an acre of land.

    If I sell the land by the square inch at $100 each (not including Title fees, etc.) - hmmm - that's $627,264,000 (627 Million). Not bad for a $2,500 investment.



    OK - I'm in.


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