View Poll Results: Is the Revolt of the Masses an Accurate Picture of Society

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Thread: Revolt of the Masses

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    Re: Revolt of the Masses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    So my question is, do you think that Ortega's work is a generally accurate view of society? Is he correct about the categories of mass and minority and the relationship between them? Do most people stubbornly view their opinions as inherently equal to those who know better than them?
    Yes to the first question.
    No to the second question.
    No to the third question.

    This is a pretty accurate picture of society but not completely incompatible with democracy. The United States has survived 237 years with a democratic rule of the masses. Those intelligent people who have studied for 30 years are often the ones that are elected to office or at least excel to bureaucratic positions. These people end up serving in the positions to shape society and the masses do not complain. Politicians are brutally criticized but it isn't from the majority. The majority have no reason to speak up. Things are going their way. If they had anything to say it would be very boring and wouldn't get any media coverage.

    I think the masses know very well that they are morons and willingly yield responsibility to others. A good example would be to measure the population against the number of registered voters. Not everybody thinks their opinion is worthy to be heard.

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    Re: Revolt of the Masses

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    there are those who believe that reading a few wikipedia articles makes them qualified to debate economics with Paul Krugman or Alan Greenspan and that nobody could tell them otherwise or that they are wrong because all opinions are equal.
    The average person doesn't think this at all. Only a few kooks would attempt this. Yes, they are out there but don't accurately represent what is normal.

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    Re: Revolt of the Masses

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    There should really be some sort mechanism in place to hone the electorate down to (mostly) only those individuals who are actually qualified to intelligently discuss and understand the issues affecting national level policy; a licensing or accrediation process, of sorts.
    Why not? We do it for judges. This sounds like a reasonable solution.

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    Re: Revolt of the Masses

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    People fancying themselves to be more exceptional than they really are seems like a much bigger problem than the fact that geniuses are rare.
    A true genius could work around the limitations of any societal structure even democracy. If he needs the force of the military to obtain his goals he isn't really that smart after all.

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    Re: Revolt of the Masses

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    I absolutely agree. I'm frankly not even an especially great fan of "Democracy" as a general concept in the way it is currently practiced by the Western World. It basically revolves entirely around hordes of ignorant louts who can't see six inches beyond their own noses shouting "gimme!" up at government officials, and voting for whichever demagogue looks prettiest on TV and promises to give them the heftiest handout (regardless of whether they actually deliver on it or not).

    There should really be some sort mechanism in place to hone the electorate down to (mostly) only those individuals who are actually qualified to intelligently discuss and understand the issues affecting national level policy; a licensing or accrediation process, of sorts.
    Quote Originally Posted by vasuderatorrent View Post
    Why not? We do it for judges. This sounds like a reasonable solution.
    I've said for years that we should simply require the same kind of testing that immigrants are given to obtain citizenship. Pass it once and you're certified not to be a political vegetable. (Of course, many of the Demos would have to be taught to read complete sentences with long words first, the sort of sentences that don't fit on bumper stickers.)
    Quod scripsi, scripsi

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    Re: Revolt of the Masses

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I see the "masses" as becoming totally emotionally dependent submissive sheeple who believe the goal in life is to best figure all the ways life is unfair, excuses for failure, and to determine all the things emotionally and physically wrong with themselves as part of those excuses - all self-degradation, self-pity and self-victimized people determined to remain nobodies.
    You described me pretty accurately. Is this a problem? If so, what is the solution to responding to life in this manner?

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