View Poll Results: Which US Wars Were Justifiable When the US Entered Them?

Voters
65. You may not vote on this poll
  • Iraq War

    13 20.00%
  • Afghanistan War

    41 63.08%
  • Gulf War

    33 50.77%
  • Vietnam War

    12 18.46%
  • Korean War

    31 47.69%
  • WWII

    62 95.38%
  • WWI

    38 58.46%
  • Spanish American War

    12 18.46%
  • USCW: The South Seceding From the Union

    20 30.77%
  • USCW: The Union Invading the South

    43 66.15%
Multiple Choice Poll.
Page 7 of 7 FirstFirst ... 567
Results 61 to 67 of 67

Thread: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

  1. #61
    Advisor aberrant85's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2013
    Location
    SF Bay Area
    Last Seen
    10-04-15 @ 04:01 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    594

    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Yes that is also a pattern that I have found. Just went in here, helped with our liberation, and forgotten so quickly. Whom to blame for this: Media or history books of yours?
    It's kinda part of our culture to have little knowledge of what goes on outside our borders. In our media WWII, the Civil War, and Vietnam are the wars we're most conscious about.
    "Obamacare delenda est"

  2. #62
    Sage
    DDD's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2012
    Location
    Republic of Dardania
    Last Seen
    05-06-17 @ 06:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,173

    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    It's kinda part of our culture to have little knowledge of what goes on outside our borders. In our media WWII, the Civil War, and Vietnam are the wars we're most conscious about.
    So it is media. I knew it. All peace and quiet is not newsworthy, even if was done with your help.
    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
    The Republic of Dardania is the proper name for: http://www.debatepolitics.com/europe...ification.html

  3. #63
    Educator
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Last Seen
    09-30-13 @ 04:19 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    698

    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    For the purpose of this poll, the question is, at the time the US entered into war, was it justifiable to do so, both in its time and in hindsight.
    I would say pretty much all of them were justifiable, with the possible exception of the Spanish-American war and the South's secession.

  4. #64
    Renaissance Man
    Captain Adverse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Location
    Mid-West USA
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    8,604
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    From my perspective:

    1. The South seceding from the Union was unjustifiable, mainly because slavery is indefensible, even in the 1800's, but also because since Congress is responsible for admitting states to the Union it stands to reason that they must go through Congress to secede. At the very least they could have had plebiscites to decide, but even then by not recognizing slaves no plebiscite would be legitimate. In addition, the threat they perceived was completely hypothetical; Lincoln never declared his intent to end slavery, and they seceded before he was even inaugurated, so there was no present danger to their way of life in the first place.

    2. The North had multiple justifications for waging war with the South. First, their forts and federal property were attacked and confiscated by the states. Second, the rebellions were not legal. Third, they had the moral justification for stopping the spread of slavery, and eventually its abolition.

    3. The Spanish-American War was essentially a civil war with no clear good side. The US entered the war out of imperialist ambitions, egged on by propaganda and yellow journalism, and justified by the sinking of the USS Maine, despite evidence that it probably was an accident. Therefore it was not justifiable.

    4. WWI was initially none of our business, with basically all sides fighting being aggressive and responsible for the conflict. But when democracy was increasingly threatened, and after Germans killed Americans and conspired to bring Mexico into war with the US, we had a justifiable reason to enter the war against it.

    5. WWII is the textbook definition of a justifiable war to enter.

    6. The Korean war was principally a civil war. True, we backed the South, but the war was fought out of ideology rather than imperative. In addition, fighting a proxy war against China and Russia was un-winnable. Not justified sufficiently.

    7. Vietnam was another civil war that we fought in out of an ideological opposition to communism. Unjustifiable.

    8. The Gulf War was a war of aggression against Kuwait, not a civil war, and retaliating against Saddam was backed by world opinion. We set attainable goals early on and put in enough troops to attain victory. Despite the national interest of oil muddying the affair, there was plenty of justification for the war.

    9. Afghanistan was as justifiable as fighting in WWII. However the war planners botched the execution.

    10. The Iraq War was a war of aggression based on faulty evidence that was unwisely believed by a cabal of fanatic ideologues without realistically appraising the national security interests and stability of the region. Unjustifiable.

    And for the record:

    Revolutionary War, justifiable
    War of 1812, justifiable
    Mexican-American War, unjustifiable
    Well, thanks for that analysis. My response?

    First we agree on WWII, WWI, Spanish-American War, Vietnam, Iraq II, an your three "for th record" additions; so nothing there.

    Next, both the cause of Southern Secession (you allege slavery, but that was not the only reason) and the fact that the South failed to go "through Congress" are irrelevant. There are no Constitutional provisions for seceding. Since the Constitution required ratification by the States, the 10th Amendment allows them the same power to secede. No state needs to ask permission. Northern victory did nothing to alleviate that power either. There was no need for a "plebiscite" either, the people we represented by their state legislatures who voted to secede. The area in Virginia that did not wish to, seceded and because the new State of West Virginia.

    Next, it was not the fact that "forts and federal property were attacked and confiscated;" George Washington's crushing of the Whisky Rebellion was sufficient precedent to justify the North's response to the Southern Secession.

    As for Korea, the justification was rightly stated; we were guiding members of the UN Security Council and per the treaty rules a majority voted passed with no veto which authorized our action.

    IMO Afghanistan could have been avoided by using DELTA and SEAL teams to gut Al Quaeda without invading. We did not need to get involved in Iraq (Gulf War I) since we had no defense treaty with Kuwait. Screw oil and to hell with world opinion!
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

  5. #65
    Global Moderator
    Bodhidarma approves bigly
    Andalublue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Granada, España
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 01:21 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    26,111

    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    No, had Hitler not been busy fighting us through out France. He would have had the resources to divert to Russia. Also one of Russia's problems with man power and equipment was the invasion of Finland in 1940 that while Finland and Russia came to a truce.
    Russia lost well over 120K men and hundreds of tanks.
    Finland lost 11% of her lands and 30% of her assets to Russia, but neither were helpful in fighting the Germans who came within 20 miles of the Kremlin.
    Oh, and WWIII? Its already on and been on for 60 years.
    The Soviet Union had the beating of Hitler about a year before D-Day opened up the Western front again. The huge defeat at Kursk pretty much painted the writing on the wall for the Eastern front. D-Day and the US involvement swiftened things, no doubt.
    "The crisis will end when fear changes sides" - Pablo Iglesias Turrión

    "Austerity is used as a cover to reconfigure society and increase inequality and injustice." - Jeremy Corbyn

  6. #66
    Banned
    Join Date
    Sep 2011
    Location
    Mecca
    Last Seen
    01-14-15 @ 07:04 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    6,426

    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    TYou do realize Saddam fought against Al-Qaeda and hated Islamic govs?
    1)Saddam did not fight against Al Qaeda. I have no idea where you came up with that ridiculous lie.

    2)Saddam instituted sharia law in Iraq, built mosques with government money, made Quaranic studies mandatory for students starting in the first grade and paid Quran teachers a premium compared to teachers of other subjects, had the phrase "Allah is Great" emblazoned on the official Iraqi flag in his own handwriting, put a Quran written in his own blood on display in a huge government mosque, and basically transformed Iraq into an Islamic State. The facts just don't seem to jibe with your contention that Saddam hated Islamic governments.

  7. #67
    Gradualist

    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Last Seen
    09-25-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Socialist
    Posts
    34,949
    Blog Entries
    6

    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    1)Saddam did not fight against Al Qaeda. I have no idea where you came up with that ridiculous lie.
    I meant in rhetoric. I never had to deal with Al Qaeda in his own country.


    2)Saddam instituted sharia law in Iraq,
    No.. No no he didnt. Not even close to true. He despised Islamic law and feared it. One of the major reasons to going to war with Iran was because of this.

    built mosques with government money, made Quaranic studies mandatory for students starting in the first grade and paid Quran teachers a premium compared to teachers of other subjects, had the phrase "Allah is Great" emblazoned on the official Iraqi flag in his own handwriting, put a Quran written in his own blood on display in a huge government mosque, and basically transformed Iraq into an Islamic State.
    No. All of those dont=Islamic Law.
    Might wanna go back and read what Islamic Law is. All of those are more symbolic gestures.

    The facts just don't seem to jibe with your contention that Saddam hated Islamic governments.
    Well saying Saddam abolished Sharia Law courts, invaded an Islamic nation on the fear of Islamic Law gainig ground into his country, and didnt rule his country based on Islamic law, i think these facts do "jib with my connection."


Page 7 of 7 FirstFirst ... 567

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •