View Poll Results: Which US Wars Were Justifiable When the US Entered Them?

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  • Iraq War

    13 20.00%
  • Afghanistan War

    41 63.08%
  • Gulf War

    33 50.77%
  • Vietnam War

    12 18.46%
  • Korean War

    31 47.69%
  • WWII

    62 95.38%
  • WWI

    38 58.46%
  • Spanish American War

    12 18.46%
  • USCW: The South Seceding From the Union

    20 30.77%
  • USCW: The Union Invading the South

    43 66.15%
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    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    My history is on the mark. In Operation Desert Storm Franks commanded VII Corps, the 140,000+ troops that invaded Iraq.

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    Your point is acknowledged.

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    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    I think the USA wars with Serbs throughout the 90s were justifiable also. Was curious why the Op did not put it in the list.
    I agree, the Bosnian conflict was not only justifiable, but NATO's delayed action in the face of obvious genocide was inexcusable. I only voted for WWII out of all those wars listed, and didn't even consider the Civil War as comparable.

    Korea, Vietnam, most of the other wars listed were ideological in nature. Certainly justifications were made for them, but I personally do not believe that at the time (not in retrospect), as the adult I am today and what I have seen over my decades on the planet, I would not support any of them beyond our early invasion of Afghanistan, which turned out to be an inept quagmire and should have been over in months, at Tora Bora, had the Bush administration not withheld troops for his future Iraq invasion and allowed the Taliban to escape into Pakistan due to lack of necessary US troops/armaments at the scene.

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    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Out of that list WW2, and the Union fighting the south from seceding. The rest of the Wars were not justified, and most of them were fought for special interest and neo-liberal imperialist means.


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    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Out of that list WW2, and the Union fighting the south from seceding. The rest of the Wars were not justified, and most of them were fought for special interest and neo-liberal imperialist means.
    No, they were fought to slow/halt the spread of socialism and radical Islamics/terrorist. Both are noble causes against evil crimes against humanity.
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    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    No, they were fought to slow/halt the spread of socialism and radical Islamics/terrorist. Both are noble causes against evil crimes against humanity.
    I'm not sure that's completely true. It's more the story told and not necessarily the reasons. In VN, we have served those people better by allowing Socialism after WWII and become allies, trusting as partners that we could show a better way. Instead we were lazy and poor partners of those who helped us in WWII and denied freedom of choice to a nation's population.

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    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    For sure, but they could not take any more from the European theater to send to the Eastern front. Had they been able to, It very well may had turned out different.
    I dont minimize the efforts of the Russians in WWII, but to say "they won the war" is just not all true.
    The allies let them take Berlin, because the allies knew what hell they would bring with them. And they did. German soldiers were fighting their way out of Berlin to surrender to US troops.
    the fact is that Nazi Germany could not fight a war on two fronts and expect to win.

    imagine if the german divisions that had been tasked to fight on the eastern front had been on hand on june 6th 1994. if that had happened, operation overlord would have been compared to galilipoli as the most disastrous attempted amphibious invasions in military history.

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    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    No, they were fought to slow/halt the spread of socialism and radical Islamics/terrorist.
    The Spanish American war was fighitng the spread of socialism and crazy Islamists? What about WW1? Or the Gulf War?
    But fair enough im guessing your thinking of Korea and Vietnam and possibly the 2nd Gulf War... But in Korea how was that our business? And Vietnam? So we go in there because of that scary "domino theory" but quick reference they won and communism didnt spread... So and about those crazy Islamists i mean hell we propped up Islamists in Afghanistan, and currently an Islamic gov is in charge of Afghanistan. But what about the 2nd Gulf War.... You do realize Saddam fought against Al-Qaeda and hated Islamic govs?

    Both are noble causes against evil crimes against humanity.
    Give me a break.


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    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The Spanish American war was fighitng the spread of socialism and crazy Islamists? What about WW1? Or the Gulf War?
    But fair enough im guessing your thinking of Korea and Vietnam and possibly the 2nd Gulf War... But in Korea how was that our business? And Vietnam? So we go in there because of that scary "domino theory" but quick reference they won and communism didnt spread... So and about those crazy Islamists i mean hell we propped up Islamists in Afghanistan, and currently an Islamic gov is in charge of Afghanistan. But what about the 2nd Gulf War.... You do realize Saddam fought against Al-Qaeda and hated Islamic govs?


    Give me a break.
    Ok, so all the ones after WWII.

    How was Korea our responsibility, one it was necessary to fight the spread of evil and secondly because we accept joint defense agreements as well as upholding our role in the UN at the time. It was a UN operation, not a strictly US one. What many don't understand is a lot of things, like the expansion of socialism and radical Islam would eventually affect us, especially economically, so it is always better to fight those wars before they get to that point and to fight them on someone else's soil.

    Also, my personal belief is that it is the duty of the strong to protect the innocent and the weak. I also do not believe that freedoms and opportunities we have here in the US should only be for the US, they should be for all people. So anytime we can help innocent people from falling into the poverty, slavery, fear and torture of socialist systems, we should do it.
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    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Besides, the first point aside, devaluing the engagement of the the second point as "gray area" undermines the successes and liberation influenced in south Europe. Why would liberation here be less valuable, not worthy of mention, "gray area!"

    Soldiers died here too. Yours, NATO's and ours while we fought Serbs!
    Not to diminish them, but those actions were relatively short, with limited ground troops, and few American casualties. All those make them minor military actions in the long list of American wars. And, to be brutally honest, I doubt a majority Americans could even recall them.
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    Re: Which US Wars Were Justifiable?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Ok, so all the ones after WWII.

    How was Korea our responsibility, one it was necessary to fight the spread of evil and secondly because we accept joint defense agreements as well as upholding our role in the UN at the time. It was a UN operation, not a strictly US one. What many don't understand is a lot of things, like the expansion of socialism and radical Islam would eventually affect us, especially economically, so it is always better to fight those wars before they get to that point and to fight them on someone else's soil.

    Also, my personal belief is that it is the duty of the strong to protect the innocent and the weak. I also do not believe that freedoms and opportunities we have here in the US should only be for the US, they should be for all people. So anytime we can help innocent people from falling into the poverty, slavery, fear and torture of socialist systems, we should do it.
    In my opinion, the policy of containment that resulted after WWII and the wars that America got involved in as a result are similar to the overreaction of US counterterrorism efforts after 9/11. Fighting land wars in Asia because of the ideological threat of Communism seems dumb.
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