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Thread: Blaming the Victim

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    Re: Blaming the Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Is blaming the victim a problem in our society?
    I don't believe its a problem.
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    Re: Blaming the Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    A Big Mac here is 3 bucks now. Are you saying that it was 75 cents when I was 15? I promise you that you're wrong.

    When I was young, a VHS VCR costs 2,000 dollars. Today I can get a Blu-ray player for 70. Yeah, that dollar sure has lost its stretch...
    Why are you talking about inflation? I'm talking about the ratio of time spent working for wages and buying power. The cost of a Big Mac, as you decide to measure this in, is not important because of how much it cost when you were 15. It matters how many hours of work earning that money took.
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    Re: Blaming the Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Why are you talking about inflation? I'm talking about the ratio of time spent working for wages and buying power. The cost of a Big Mac, as you decide to measure this in, is not important because of how much it cost when you were 15. It matters how many hours of work earning that money took.
    Well, when I was 15 the minimum wage was 4.25. It's now 3 dollars higher.

    If you're asking me if the price of a Big Mac, ceteris paribus, has gone up 75% since I was 15...the answer is "nuh uh".

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    Re: Blaming the Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Well, when I was 15 the minimum wage was 4.25. It's now 3 dollars higher.

    If you're asking me if the price of a Big Mac, ceteris paribus, has gone up 75% since I was 15...the answer is "nuh uh".
    Congratulations? Do you want a cookie? Do you really think that the price of Big Macs is a good indicator for the whole economy? What is the point of your complaint here? To show how little you understand about the issue at hand? You did that, so I guess a cookie is in order. Or maybe a Big Mac, I suppose.
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    Re: Blaming the Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Is blaming the victim a problem in our society?
    Tough to ask because people define this in different ways, and in different situations.

    For example...

    In response to a story about a terror attack by islamists, is suggesting that people should understand that our political actions in the Middle East causes them to hate us "blaming the victim"? What about responding to the attack by talking exclusively about “Blowback”? What about suggesting that the US deserves it? What about suggesting that it’s our “chickens coming home to roost”?

    In response to a story about a rape after a long night at a bar, is suggesting that the woman shouldn't have been out drinking alone that late "blaming the victim"? What about someone suggesting “She had it coming” for flirting with a guy? Or perhaps someone stating that she shouldn’t be out drinking at all?

    In response to a story about a guy being beaten after saying racial slurs to some black men out in the alley behind a bar, is suggesting that he shouldn’t have gone back out in the alley in such a situation “blaming the victim”? What about suggesting he was “asking for it” by using racial slurs? Or saying he should’ve been beaten even worse?

    In response to a story about a guy being fired for telling off an employee who left a bad tip, is suggesting that he should’ve told his Manager the issue and urged him to act “blaming the victim”? How about suggesting you would’ve fired his ass too for acting like that?

    What about situations where there’s no clear “perpetrator” or even “victim”, as it’s PURELY a matter of one’s INDIVIDUAL OPINION and view point, such as a story about an individual whose out of a job and whose welfare is going out?

    You ask a VERY broad question that can't honestly be answered without some clearer explanation

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    Re: Blaming the Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Congratulations? Do you want a cookie? Do you really think that the price of Big Macs is a good indicator for the whole economy? What is the point of your complaint here? To show how little you understand about the issue at hand? You did that, so I guess a cookie is in order. Or maybe a Big Mac, I suppose.
    Okay then, what's your bar? I'd love to know your measuring stick on "everything's 4x more expensive".

    If one of us lacks comprehension, it's clearly you. Of course, as a socialist, you can't help but be ignorant to economics. If you weren't, you wouldn't be a socialist.

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    Re: Blaming the Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Okay then, what's your bar? I'd love to know your measuring stick on "everything's 4x more expensive".

    If one of us lacks comprehension, it's clearly you. Of course, as a socialist, you can't help but be ignorant to economics. If you weren't, you wouldn't be a socialist.
    It's been explained in dozens of threads already. Try to keep up. It's really a waste of time having to go over the basics with deniers over and over. Like the 47% don't pay taxes nonsense. That got old really fast, too. Bonus points for the idiotic lean attack. If you had positions that weren't solely about your own selfish gain, you wouldn't be a libertarian. See how easy that is?
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    Re: Blaming the Victim

    For those of you who didn't get the reference to the last choice:

    "A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons." --Hillary Rodham Clinton
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    Re: Blaming the Victim

    I don't think blaming the victim is really an issue.

    The problem is more along the lines of inaccurate determination of who IS the victim. Or for that matter, if ANYONE is.
    And since the related argument is whose FAULT it is, we run into issues....especially when it isn't anyone's fault.
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    Re: Blaming the Victim

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Is blaming the victim a problem in our society?
    It does happen sometimes, but it's a very minor problem. And in some cases it's blown way out of proportion. With rape victims particularly, things that are genuinely meant as helpful advice are often painted as 'blaming the victim'.
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