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    Re: Should Congress revoke the NFL's tax exempt status?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Then you have the valid argument of needed to compete with for-profit corporate America for top quality executives who know what they're doing. The same can be said for compensation for the leader of the free world but at least he'll get rich after he leaves office.
    Except there is no valid competition for profit when speaking of non-profits like this. It is a failed argument. A non-profit does not have to find the best people for their benefit. They only need someone good enough to efficiently run their operations.
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    Re: Should Congress revoke the NFL's tax exempt status?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    At a significantly reduced rate because the multi-million dollar memberships dues paid to the NFL lowers their liability. Considering that other sports leagues like the NBA admit to being for profit businesses, what exactly makes the NFL special in deserving 501c6 status?
    The teams make money. The teams pay taxes. After taxes, the teams give some money to the NFL organization to take care of administration and such. That money has already been taxed. The NFL administration does not make any money.

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    Re: Should Congress revoke the NFL's tax exempt status?

    I'll try to explain this stupid scam in a bit more detail.

    The NFL teams make billions of dollars, all of it is taxed. The teams give a paltry ~200m to the NFL org for admin.

    People act like billions are not taxed, but that's just ignorance. Only the 200m going to the NFL org would be (double) taxed.

    This would be like the government taxing your chess club based on donations made to cover administration. Your dues would be taxed, and the admin gets less money... why? Should the government tax union dues as profit?

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    Re: Should Congress revoke the NFL's tax exempt status?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The teams make money. The teams pay taxes. After taxes, the teams give some money to the NFL organization to take care of administration and such. That money has already been taxed. The NFL administration does not make any money.
    The money that the teams give to the NFL reduces their tax liability. That is a subsidy which other sporting leagues don't get. The NFL fails to meet the qualifications for a 501c6 and should not be granted such status. The official IRS definition for the non-profit.


    A business league is an association of persons having some common business interest, the purpose of which is to promote such common interest and not to engage in a regular business of a kind ordinarily carried on for profit. Trade associations and professional associations are business leagues. To be exempt, a business league’s activities must be devoted to improving business conditions of one or more lines of business as distinguished from performing particular services for individual persons. No part of a business league’s net earnings may inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual and it may not be organized for profit to engage in an activity ordinarily carried on for profit
    The NFL obviously cannot meet those requirements and shouldn't be granted privileged status.

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    Re: Should Congress revoke the NFL's tax exempt status?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I'll try to explain this stupid scam in a bit more detail.

    The NFL teams make billions of dollars, all of it is taxed. The teams give a paltry ~200m to the NFL org for admin.

    People act like billions are not taxed, but that's just ignorance.
    So its okay not pay taxes as long as its "only" on 200 million?

    Only the 200m going to the NFL org would be (double) taxed.
    The NFL currently assigns licensing revenue to abuse their non-profit status. They can easily switch it back to avoid double taxation if they had to operate as an honest business.

    This would be like the government taxing your chess club based on donations made to cover administration. Your dues would be taxed, and the admin gets less money... why? Should the government tax union dues as profit?
    Does your chess club do multi-billion dollar royalty licensing? The NFL is not a chess club, they are a business and should be treated as such.

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    Re: Should Congress revoke the NFL's tax exempt status?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    So its okay not pay taxes as long as its "only" on 200 million?
    Teams paid taxes on that 200m when they earned it. Paying taxes again on that 200m is stupid, because those are dues paid to a non-profit (which does NOT make a profit).


    Does your chess club do multi-billion dollar royalty licensing? The NFL is not a chess club, they are a business and should be treated as such.
    Licensing profits go to the teams. The NFL org does not make any profit. It collects dues from teams, who have already paid taxes on that money.

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    Re: Should Congress revoke the NFL's tax exempt status?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Teams paid taxes on that 200m when they earned it. Paying taxes again on that 200m is stupid, because those are dues paid to a non-profit (which does NOT make a profit).
    Which is exactly the problem. The NFL is not a non-profit in practice so its unfair that the teams get to write off money under false pretenses.

    Licensing profits go to the teams. The NFL org does not make any profit. It collects dues from teams, who have already paid taxes on that money.
    The point of being a non-profit is to serve some kind of community purpose. Its not for regular businesses to take their net earnings, hand them over to executives and declare "oops we didn't make a profit so we don't pay taxes".

    I like the fact you haven't address the fact that the NBA and other sporting leagues don't get the same exemptions. Why is the NFL different?

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    Re: Should Congress revoke the NFL's tax exempt status?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Which is exactly the problem. The NFL is not a non-profit in practice so its unfair that the teams get to write off money under false pretenses.

    The point of being a non-profit is to serve some kind of community purpose. Its not for regular businesses to take their net earnings, hand them over to executives and declare "oops we didn't make a profit so we don't pay taxes".

    So we should tax union dues as union profits?


    I like the fact you haven't address the fact that the NBA and other sporting leagues don't get the same exemptions. Why is the NFL different?
    You're presuming that just because they are a sport that they operate the same.

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    Re: Should Congress revoke the NFL's tax exempt status?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So we should tax union dues as union profits?
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    The NFL isn't a union.

    You're presuming that just because they are a sport that they operate the same.
    If they aren't the same, why can't you point out the differences?

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    Re: Should Congress revoke the NFL's tax exempt status?

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    The NFL isn't a union.
    It is a non-profit organization that serves the admin needs of the teams. It is funded by the teams and does not make any profit.

    Look, you already claimed that the NFL org make billions, so you obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

    If they aren't the same, why can't you point out the differences?
    You made the claim.

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