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    Re: Are Republicans Trying to Hurt the Insurance Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Glen Contrarian View Post
    I'm happy for you - but there are tens of millions of people who didn't have the opportunities you had. And what should I have done about my oldest son - say, "I'll decline military health care for my oldest son even though he has rheumatic fever and his life might be in danger, because someday some insurance company might deny him due to a pre-existing health condition!"?

    Because YOU were able to do what you were able to do does NOT mean that everyone had the same opportunities you had, or were able to do the same things you did. And whether you like it or not, if THEY get screwed because they can't have health insurance, YOU pay for that anyway - just in different ways.

    You're going to pay ANYway - so which makes more sense? To pay for people to have health insurance? Or to pay for the consequences of people not having health insurance?
    really, are you saying people are too stupid to pump gas, work in restaurants, and do farm labor while in school?

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    Re: Are Republicans Trying to Hurt the Insurance Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    was he drafted?
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    $12k/year is hardly pennies. You had him, you pay for him
    Your apathy disgusts me, sir. I struggle to believe that some Americans have these kinds of savage ideas.
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    Re: Are Republicans Trying to Hurt the Insurance Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Your apathy disgusts me, sir. I struggle to believe that some Americans have these kinds of savage ideas.
    Though I feel he's gone a little extreme, since when is everybody else's health issue everybody else's worry? Some of us have made a point through life to make sure we had insurance and took care of our health. Or, without insurance, paying their medical bills?

    We now get to pay for those who didn't. Exactly what is wrong with not appreciating people who did not do the same?
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    Re: Are Republicans Trying to Hurt the Insurance Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Your apathy disgusts me, sir. I struggle to believe that some Americans have these kinds of savage ideas.
    I struggle with liberals that want everyone to pay more so they don't have to. I worked for what I have and should not be penalized for the population that chose not too. So your expectations disgust me.

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    Re: Are Republicans Trying to Hurt the Insurance Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Though I feel he's gone a little extreme, since when is everybody else's health issue everybody else's worry? Some of us have made a point through life to make sure we had insurance and took care of our health. Or, without insurance, paying their medical bills?

    We now get to pay for those who didn't. Exactly what is wrong with not appreciating people who did not do the same?
    I did cross the line, but I am so tired of being penalized for doing the right thing.

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    Re: Are Republicans Trying to Hurt the Insurance Business?

    This complete debate is an argument about a "PARTISAN" issue. Obamacare is Obama's big deal and it was passed. Now the Republicans have wasted taxpayer's money 44 times trying to vote it down and it hasn't worked. What is it they say about insanity: "repeatedly doing the same wrong thing and getting the same wrong result." This is a front page example of that circumstance. Now they are trying again. Gee, what could possibly be the result? Could anything possibly go wrong? Act surprised, like this is a whole new issue instead of the same insanity. Does this make Republicans appear to be heartless morons, or sellouts to Big Money Corporate? That's for you to decide.

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    Re: Are Republicans Trying to Hurt the Insurance Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    This complete debate is an argument about a "PARTISAN" issue. Obamacare is Obama's big deal and it was passed. Now the Republicans have wasted taxpayer's money 44 times trying to vote it down and it hasn't worked. What is it they say about insanity: "repeatedly doing the same wrong thing and getting the same wrong result." This is a front page example of that circumstance. Now they are trying again. Gee, what could possibly be the result? Could anything possibly go wrong? Act surprised, like this is a whole new issue instead of the same insanity. Does this make Republicans appear to be heartless morons, or sellouts to Big Money Corporate? That's for you to decide.
    The bolded isn't quite true. 8 of the '44 times' the legislation passed the Senate and was signed by the President. Several others of the 44 where supported in the House by significant numbers of Democrats only to be tabled in the Senate. This often repeated hyperbolic rhetoric is just that.
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    Re: Are Republicans Trying to Hurt the Insurance Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rocketman View Post
    I don't think I should be penalized because most of those people did without coverage before being diagnosed with those illnesses. It is no different than farm subsidies or wall street bailouts. It makes me wonder about people that think they should be taken care of after ****ing their lives away.
    You do know the 20 to 25% of your current premium goes to pay for the uninsured don't you? Now that EVERYONE is required to be insured, there will be little need for that surcharge and no more young people gaming the system. You are like most detractors of the plan, totally clueless about what it REALLY is and what problems it attempts to solve. You really should talk to someone in Mass. who have been under a very similar system for years and have had little but good things to say about it. It is not perfect, but UHC was deemed too much of a change and from the reception the relatively moderate AHC plan is getting they might have been right.
    Last edited by iguanaman; 09-22-13 at 11:37 PM.

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    Re: Are Republicans Trying to Hurt the Insurance Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You do know the 20 to 25% of your current premium goes to pay for the uninsured don't you? Now that EVERYONE is required to be insured, there will be little need for that surcharge and no more young people gaming the system. You are like most detractors of the plan, totally clueless about what it REALLY is and what problems it attempts to solve. You really should talk to someone in Mass. who have been under a very similar system for years and have had little but good things to say about it. It is not perfect, but UHC was deemed too much of a change and from the reception the relatively moderate AHC plan is getting they might have been right.
    I have associates in Montreal, Vacouver, and Richmond and they all pay about 20% more in taxes than I do to cover their healthcare and it sucks. I have no intention of ever liking this as my premiums are out of sight now since ACA has been passed. Obama and the people that support him are **** bags and have no love for the working American.

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    Re: Are Republicans Trying to Hurt the Insurance Business?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You do know the 20 to 25% of your current premium goes to pay for the uninsured don't you?
    I'd be interested in reading this data point...care to provide a source?

    Now that EVERYONE is required to be insured, there will be little need for that surcharge and no more young people gaming the system.
    Those who don't already have insurance theoretically are being brought into the system based on receiving a subsidy. But where does the revenue for the subsidy come from...the general fund? And where exactly does that come from? It would seem that we are trading increased premiums for increased tax burden(ultimately). And as to the 'young people gaming the system' please explain how the current $95 annual (first year) threat is going to change their 'game'. Isn't the 'fine/tax' merely a reduction in tax return (obviously depending on income)? And since these 'young people' have little income (based on often repeated rhetoric) where will this 'tax return deduction' come from?
    "The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure" - 2006 Senator Obama...leadership failure indeed!

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