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Is the Obama administration doing a good job in protecting us from terrorism?

Is the Obama administration doing a good job in protecting us from terrorism?

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disneydude said:
Zero attacks under Bush? What are you talking about....oh....only the biggest foreign attack on US Soil on 911......doh!
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On the morning of 9-11-01 Americas policy was established by the Clinton administration, Al Qaeda wasn't a national security issue but a law enforcement issue.

To make sure that law enforcement and national security agencies didn't share information regarding Al Qaeda because Al Qaeda was a law enforcement issue, not the CIA, NSA, ONI or military int elegance business, they were forbidden to share intelegance with each other. It was called the "WALL."

But President G.W. Bush didn't spend eight years blaming Clinton's failed terrorist policies.

It's all there in the "9/11 Commission Report." It goes all the way back to the Carter administration and who was in control of Congress back then to lay blame.
 
Navy Pride said:
It happened whether you want to believe it or not...President Bush accepts some of the blame and there is enough to go around.
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If you were to weigh all the blame on a scale, in fact the 911 Commission did, most of the blame weighs heavily on the Clinton administration.
 
APACHERAT said:
On the morning of 9-11-01 Americas policy was established by the Clinton administration, Al Qaeda wasn't a national security issue but a law enforcement issue.

To make sure that law enforcement and national security agencies didn't share information regarding Al Qaeda because Al Qaeda was a law enforcement issue, not the CIA, NSA, ONI or military int elegance business, they were forbidden to share intelegance with each other. It was called the "WALL."

But President G.W. Bush didn't spend eight years blaming Clinton's failed terrorist policies.

It's all there in the "9/11 Commission Report." It goes all the way back to the Carter administration and who was in control of Congress back then to lay blame.
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Obama calls a terrorist attack workplace violence He calls the attack by Major Hussin that when he shooting Americans at Fort Hood and was screaming Allah Anbar as he was doing it.............He does not want to offend his brother Arabs.
 
APACHERAT said:
If you were to weigh all the blame on a scale, in fact the 911 Commission did, most of the blame weighs heavily on the Clinton administration.
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They will never admit that though.
 
APACHERAT said:
If you were to weigh all the blame on a scale, in fact the 911 Commission did, most of the blame weighs heavily on the Clinton administration.
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So it's a failure of conservative ideology? Clinton being a tad more conservative than, say, Reagan, I mean.
 
Navy Pride said:
I am talking about attacks on the USA mainland
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Which is still way more than zero. You're still wrong.

and Clinton has to accept part of the blame for 2001. I have no clue what your talking about in 2009. Truth is after 2001 we had zero attacks under President Bush where we have numerous attacks under Obama.
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Apparently you're now pretending the several posts we provided showing terrorist attacks on the US homeland between 2001 and 2009 didn't happen.

It's pathetic how you repeat arguments that were refuted pages ago.

How is 12 = 0?

In what world does that compute?
 
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Navy Pride said:
You definitely have a reading problem.
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On the contrary, it appears you do:

2002
United States United States, May: Luke Helder injures 6 by placing pipebombs in mailboxes in the Midwest. Motivation to protest government control over daily lives and the illegality of marijuana and promotion of astral projection
United States, July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing two Israelis before being killed himself.
United States United States, October: John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo conduct the Beltway Sniper Attacks, killing ten people in various locations throughout the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area from October 2 until they are arrested on October 24.

2005
United States United States, October 1: Joel Henry Hinrichs III detonated a bomb near the packed football stadium at the University of Oklahoma in Norman, Oklahoma killing himself in the process.[5]

2006
United States: An Afghani Muslim hit 19 pedestrians, killing one, with his SUV in the San Francisco Bay area.

United States: Mohammed Reza Taheri-azar, an Iranian-born graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, drives an SUV onto a crowded part of campus, injuring nine.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...protecting-us-terrorism-3.html#post1062347428


2007 October 26: A pair of improvised explosive devices were thrown at the Mexican Consulate in New York City. The fake grenades were filled with black powder, and detonated by fuses, causing very minor damage. Police were investigating the connection between this and a similar attack against the British Consulate in New York in 2005.[47]

2008 February: In the first reported incident of animal-rights extremists physically assaulting the family members of animal researchers, six masked activists attempted to force their way into the home of a University of California, Santa Cruz, researcher and injured the researcher's husband.[48][49]

2008 March 3: Four multimillion-dollar show homes place in Woodinville, Washington, are torched. The Earth Liberation Front is suspected.[50]

2008 March 6: A homemade bomb damaged a Recruiting Office in Times Square.[51] In June 2013 The FBI and New York City police offered a $65,000 reward for information in the case and revealed that ammunition used for the bomb is the same as is used in the Iraq and Afghanistan war zones.[52]

2008 May 4: Multiple pipe bombs exploded at 1:40 am at the Edward J. Schwartz United States Courthouse in San Diego causing "considerable damage" to the entrance and lobby and sending shrapnel two blocks away, but causing no injuries. The F.B.I. is investigating links between this attack and an April 25 explosion at the FedEx building also in San Diego.[53]

2008 August 2, August 3 University of California-Santa Cruz molecular biologist David Feldheim's home was firebombed. A car belonging to another researcher from that university was destroyed by a firebomb in what is presumed to be related. FBI is investigating incidents as domestic terrorism related to animal rights groups.[54][55]

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We know you are wrong. We also know you will never admit you're wrong. Which is pretty embarrassing considering your claim to your age.
 
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obvious Child said:
Which is still way more than zero. You're still wrong.



Apparently you're now pretending the several posts we provided showing terrorist attacks on the US homeland between 2001 and 2009 didn't happen.

It's pathetic how you repeat arguments that were refuted pages ago.

How is 12 = 0?

In what world does that compute?
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aside of 9/11 when most of the blame was Clinton's prove it. Un like Obama who blames everyone but himself President Bush never did that.
 
Grand Mal said:
So it's a failure of conservative ideology? Clinton being a tad more conservative than, say, Reagan, I mean.
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What are you smoking tonight my left wing friend..........Clinton was one of the biggest Liberals ever to hold the office of the president.
 
Navy Pride said:
What are you smoking tonight my left wing friend..........Clinton was one of the biggest Liberals ever to hold the office of the president.
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That's why I didn't respond to Grand Mal's post, I couldn't figure out where he was coming from. It might be a Canuck joke or something ?

It's starting to look like that the left is trying to distance themselves from Obama and will probably start claiming Reagan as one of their own.
 
Navy Pride said:
What are you smoking tonight my left wing friend..........Clinton was one of the biggest Liberals ever to hold the office of the president.
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The guy who balanced the budget, signed welfare reform and NAFTA -- flaming liberal. :roll:
 
obvious Child said:
On the contrary, it appears you do:
2002
July 4: An Egyptian gunman opens fire at an El Al ticket counter in Los Angeles International Airport, killing two Israelis before being killed himself.
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I always notice that leftist always bring up this incident.
It was an attack against Israel not the USA that happened at the "INTERNATIONAL TERMINAL" at LAX.

You know how international terminals are, it's like a no-mans land.

Even a horse fly knows that the OP is in reference to post 9-11-01 Al Qaeda attacks on U.S. soil.

The people in Barack Obama's Chicago are living in a state of terror with daily black on black shootings.

Most Latino gangs meet the definition of being terrorist in their own neighborhoods.

It's a dead giveaway, this thread is about Al Qaeda attacks on U.S. soil post 9-11-01.
 
APACHERAT said:
It's a dead giveaway, this thread is about Al Qaeda attacks on U.S. soil post 9-11-01.
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Number of successful Al Qaeda attacks on U.S. soil under Obama: zero.

So, to answer the OP's question, yes.
 
Kobie said:
Number of successful Al Qaeda attacks on U.S. soil under Obama: zero.

So, to answer the OP's question, yes.
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Fort Hood.

Little Rock, Ak.

The underwear bomber meets the definition as a terrorist attack. Unfortunately for Al Qaedai, their best bomb maker was eliminated during the Bush administration. The fuse was successfully ignited but the kicker charge failed to set off the main charge.

It's like if a submarine launched a torpedo and it failed to explode when it hit the hull of the ship. The ship was still attacked, it just didn't sink.

The Boston Marathon bombers may have been carried out by Muslim extremest but as far as we know they were not affiliated with Al Qaeda.

Actually, the only Muslim Jihadist who have officially declared war upon the USA is Al Qaeda. The war was declared by Osma bin Laden back on August 23, 1996. -> Bin Laden's Fatwa | PBS NewsHour | Aug. 23, 1996 | PBS

Excerpt: Why Al Qaeda decided to attack America on it's own soil and believed that America was a "paper tiger" and that President G.W. Bush was a panty waist and he would only retaliate by launching a hundred cruise missiles. Bin Laden was dead wrong.

Osama bin Ladens Declaration of war upon the USA

>" But your most disgraceful case was in Somalia; where- after vigorous propaganda about the power of the USA and its post cold war leadership of the new world order- you moved tens of thousands of international force, including twenty eight thousands American solders into Somalia. However, when tens of your solders were killed in minor battles and one American Pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadishu you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge , but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of your impotence and weaknesses became very clear. It was a pleasure for the "heart" of every Muslim and a remedy to the "chests" of believing nations to see you defeated in the three Islamic cities of Beirut , Aden and Mogadishu.

I say to Secretary of Defense: The sons of the land of the two Holy Places had come out to fight against the Russian in Afghanistan, the Serb in Bosnia-Herzegovina and today they are fighting in Chechenia and -by the Permission of Allah- they have been made victorious over your partner, the Russians. By the command of Allah, they are also fighting in Tajakistan.

I say: Since the sons of the land of the two Holy Places feel and strongly believe that fighting (Jihad) against the Kuffar in every part of the world, is absolutely essential; then they would be even more enthusiastic, more powerful and larger in number upon fighting on their own land- the place of their births- defending the greatest of their sanctities, the noble Ka'ba (the Qiblah of all Muslims). They know that the Muslims of the world will assist and help them to victory. To liberate their sanctities is the greatest of issues concerning all Muslims; It is the duty of every Muslims in this world..."<

Bin Laden's Fatwa | PBS NewsHour | Aug. 23, 1996 | PBS
 
APACHERAT said:
I always notice that leftist always bring up this incident.
It was an attack against Israel not the USA that happened at the "INTERNATIONAL TERMINAL" at LAX.
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The Wikipedia link was the first time I've ever seen it. Why do you always paint with a brush the size of the Titanic?

You know how international terminals are, it's like a no-mans land.
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This is a stupid argument. International terminals are consider the property of the country they are located in. Furthermore, that's the ticket counter, not the arrivals where legal jurisdiction becomes fuzzy, Your ignorance is showing on a wide variety of factors here.

Even a horse fly knows that the OP is in reference to post 9-11-01 Al Qaeda attacks on U.S. soil.
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Except Navy said nothing about that. He said terrorist attacks on US homeland. He never mentioned from whom. Try again. And fail less.
 
Navy Pride said:
aside of 9/11 when most of the blame was Clinton's prove it. Un like Obama who blames everyone but himself President Bush never did that.
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You realize you just proved Redress's claim that you are unable to accept any responsibility period right?

I pointed out how your claim about zero attacks was false and then you go off on a tangent.

You really are completely unable to admit you're wrong on anything? Well, 10 years and you still haven't changed.
 
obvious Child said:
The Wikipedia link was the first time I've ever seen it. Why do you always paint with a brush the size of the Titanic?



This is a stupid argument. International terminals are consider the property of the country they are located in. Furthermore, that's the ticket counter, not the arrivals where legal jurisdiction becomes fuzzy, Your ignorance is showing on a wide variety of factors here.



Except Navy said nothing about that. He said terrorist attacks on US homeland. He never mentioned from whom. Try again. And fail less.
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And you know that's what Navy Pride was referring to, Al Qaeda terrorist attacks upon U.S. soil.

Regarding "international terminals" ports of entry is where you will find those who have no passport or visa. Like Snowden was basically trapped in Moscow's international terminal. There's actually foreigners who are living in international terminals all over the world who have no country to go too. When your in limbo, that where you end up.

Remember the Tom Hanks movie "The Terminal" ?

>" The Terminal is a 2004 American comedy-drama film directed by Steven Spielberg and starring Tom Hanks and Catherine Zeta-Jones. It is about a man who becomes trapped in a New York City airport terminal when he is denied entry into the United States and at the same time cannot return to his native country due to a revolution. The film is partially inspired by the 17-year-stay of Mehran Karimi Nasseri in the Charles de Gaulle International Airport, Terminal I, Paris, France from 1988 to 2006..."<
The Terminal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Navy Pride said:
aside of 9/11 when most of the blame was Clinton's prove it. Un like Obama who blames everyone but himself President Bush never did that.
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So, while blaming Clinton for the biggest security failure in our Nation's history, that did happen on George Bush's watch, you find fault with Obama for blaming others. Now, if you cannot remember back 10 or 11-years ago to the now defunct Whistlestopper, let me remind you; you blamed Clinton for everything bad that happened on George's watch. However, you were just parroting the Bush Administration. They blamed the economy, 9/11, and GW's hemorrhoids on Clinton. I use to joke the statute of limitations for all things bad being blamed on Clinton would officially end in the year 2043. You and a couple others seem to prove that point is as true today as it was in 2003.

GW, Uncle Dick, and the Boys Plus Condi knew how to stay on message, they still blame everyone else but themselves to this day . . . so you don't have to feel like the Lone Ranger.

Obama blaming Bush is no different and just as shameful.
 
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APACHERAT said:
I always notice that leftist always bring up this incident.
It was an attack against Israel not the USA that happened at the "INTERNATIONAL TERMINAL" at LAX.

You know how international terminals are, it's like a no-mans land.

Even a horse fly knows that the OP is in reference to post 9-11-01 Al Qaeda attacks on U.S. soil.

The people in Barack Obama's Chicago are living in a state of terror with daily black on black shootings.

Most Latino gangs meet the definition of being terrorist in their own neighborhoods.

It's a dead giveaway, this thread is about Al Qaeda attacks on U.S. soil post 9-11-01.
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I've been saying gun violence in this country should be a Homeland Security issue this entire time! I guess we agree!
 
Navy Pride said:
What are you smoking tonight my left wing friend..........Clinton was one of the biggest Liberals ever to hold the office of the president.
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Bill Clinton, Republican Role Model | The American Conservative

"Clinton’s record on government spending and deficits isn’t just better from a conservative perspective than Obama’s. It is superior to George W. Bush’s. The Republican-controlled Congress deserves some of the credit (though their fiscal discipline started to wane as early as 1998). But while Clinton was president, congressional Republicans were trying to cut spending and balance the budget. When Bush took over, they voted for deficits and government growth."
 
aberrant85 said:
I've been saying gun violence in this country should be a Homeland Security issue this entire time! I guess we agree!
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Gun violence ???

But organized criminal gangs that cause citizens to live in fear in their own neighborhoods is terrorism.

I have a problem when federal government gets involved with state or local issues.

Since 50 % of all gang bangers in America are illegal aliens, that does make it a federal issue. Just think if the federal government would actually enforce the immigration laws that are already on the books, gang violence would be cut in half. Then all you have left to deal with is Chicago and the Crips and Bloods.

The most violent gang in America is an illegal alien gang MS, there weapon of choice is the machete. The largest illegal alien gang in America is "18th Street" gang. Both MS and 18th Street were born on the streets of Los Angeles and are now found coast to coast.

Interesting that Obama's comprehensive immigration would award all illegal alien gang bangers amnesty unless they have been convicted of murder. If the gang banger committed burglaries, robberies, GTA, human smuggling, dog rape, drug dealing, etc. they are scott free.

Latino gangs fight over a zip code while black gangs are out to make money from drug dealing and robberies.
Most Latino gang bangers hold down jobs, usually in construction, gardening, and in restaurants.
 
obvious Child said:
Except Navy said nothing about that. He said terrorist attacks on US homeland. He never mentioned from whom. Try again. And fail less.
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The right constantly tries to move the goalposts as far as terrorist attacks are concerned. As far as they care, all terrorism is carried out by Al Qaeda or its alleged operatives. By their normal standards, Timothy McVeigh wouldn't count as a terrorist.
 
Navy Pride said:
Bush was president for 6 months when 9/11 happened. Your guy has been Prez for almost 5 years..........He is the Teflon president he never takes the blame for anything that happens unless its good.
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9 months. 9/11 didn't happen in June.
 
APACHERAT said:
And you know that's what Navy Pride was referring to, Al Qaeda terrorist attacks upon U.S. soil.
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Show me where he said this.

Regarding "international terminals" ports of entry is where you will find those who have no passport or visa. Like Snowden was basically trapped in Moscow's international terminal. There's actually foreigners who are living in international terminals all over the world who have no country to go too. When your in limbo, that where you end up.

Remember the Tom Hanks movie "The Terminal" ?

>" The Terminal is a 2004 American comedy-drama film directed by Steven Spielberg and starring Tom Hanks and Catherine Zeta-Jones. It is about a man who becomes trapped in a New York City airport terminal when he is denied entry into the United States and at the same time cannot return to his native country due to a revolution. The film is partially inspired by the 17-year-stay of Mehran Karimi Nasseri in the Charles de Gaulle International Airport, Terminal I, Paris, France from 1988 to 2006..."<
The Terminal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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You're still not aware of the difference between the ticket counter and the arrival area are you?

Keep digging your hole.

You're confusing this:
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With this:

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You just showed you are either grasping for straws or you didn't bother to read what I wrote. Citing the international arrival location and arguing it's the same as the ticket counter that anyone can go up to have the same legal jurisdiction is insane.

Both Snowden and Nasseri were in the transit areas of the arrival sections. Not the ticket counters.

Wikipedia is an online open-content collaborative encyclopedia; that is, a voluntary association of individuals and groups working to develop a common resource of human knowledge. The structure of the project allows anyone with an Internet connection to alter its content.
Wikipedia:General disclaimer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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So? Now you are claiming a reference you (without evidence) claim is always thrown out isn't valid because you don't like Wikipedia?
 
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