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    Re: Is the Obama administration doing a good job in protecting us from terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Ticket counter, arrival area ? What about the departure area ?
    What does this have to do with the "international terminal" ? They all are with in the boundaries of the terminal.
    Uh No.

    Within airports are varying legal jurisdictions. If you're at the ticket counter, you're checking in to the flight which means you've already entered the country and are now leaving the country. You've moved well out of the transit area of the arrival section and moved out of customs and past immigration.

    An arrival and transit area are different because you have not moved through customs and immigration and thereby entered the clear legal jurisdiction of the country owning the airport. A transit area is an international grey zone as a passenger has come off an international flight but has not gone through the requirements to have entered another country.

    Arrival and transit areas ARE NOT the same as a ticket counter in this context. Nasseri wasn't allowed in the ticket area because he couldn't pass through customs as his transit documents were not valid at the time. If they were all the same, he could have gone where he pleased in the DeGaull International terminal..

    An "international terminal" is a sovereign country's official port of entry.
    That does not mean the entire terminal functions the same way.

    El Al is located at the LAX Tom Bradley International Terminal. It's one building that serves most international flights. It's where customs, immigration, agriculture, foreign exchange, and TSA feel your junk are located.
    It's known as the "Gate Way to the Capital of the Third World." aka Los Angeles.
    So? You're making the bad argument that the entire terminal functions the same way legally. Which they do not. Why do you think that Snowden was hiding out only in the transit section of the arrival part of the Moscow international terminal? Because he had no legal right to move anywhere else. If the entire international terminal was treated the same, Snowden could have moved around as he pleased.

    Now the photos you posted don't look like LAX. The floors are shiny, no graffiti, no trash or Harikrishna people wearing orange dresses are visible. Defiantly so not L.A
    This is completely irrelevant. The arrival photo is of the Moscow airport. The other, I have no idea. I just did a Google Image search.

    Re: 2002 attack at the El Al ticket counter located with in the LAX international terminal, there was some controversy if it was a terrorist attack or not. The State Department, Defense Department, Dept. of Justice all have different definitions for a terrorist attack. Local law enforcement called it a hate crime. Only the FBI under the DOJ called it a terrorist attack even though there were found no connections between Hesham Mohamed Hadayet and any known terrorist organizations. But the FBI said the motive was political so it meets the DOJ definition of being a terrorist attack. But what if Hesham Mohamed Hadayet just didn't like Jews or Israel ? Then it's just a hate crime.
    It's pretty pathetic when you have to change definitions to avoid admitting that a Muslim who targeted Jews is not a terror attack in America.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration doing a good job in protecting us from terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Navy, if these are the kind of Fun With Semantics games you feel the need to play in order to whitewash other attacks from the Bush era, you've already lost the argument. Badly.
    My bad, that was Apacherat, not Navy.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration doing a good job in protecting us from terrorism?

    [QUOTE=obvious Child;1062355491It's pretty pathetic when you have to change definitions to avoid admitting that a Muslim who targeted Jews is not a terror attack in America.[/QUOTE]



    >" Terrorism is not new, and even though it has been used since the beginning of recorded history it can be relatively hard to define. Terrorism has been described variously as both a tactic and strategy; a crime and a holy duty; a justified reaction to oppression and an inexcusable abomination. Obviously, a lot depends on whose point of view is being represented. Terrorism has often been an effective tactic for the weaker side in a conflict. As an asymmetric form of conflict, it confers coercive power with many of the advantages of military force at a fraction of the cost. Due to the secretive nature and small size of terrorist organizations, they often offer opponents no clear organization to defend against or to deter.

    That is why preemption is being considered to be so important. In some cases, terrorism has been a means to carry on a conflict without the adversary realizing the nature of the threat, mistaking terrorism for criminal activity. Because of these characteristics, terrorism has become increasingly common among those pursuing extreme goals throughout the world. But despite its popularity, terrorism can be a nebulous concept. Even within the U.S. Government, agencies responsible for different functions in the ongoing fight against terrorism use different definitions.


    The United States Department of Defense defines terrorism as “the calculated use of unlawful violence or threat of unlawful violence to inculcate fear; intended to coerce or to intimidate governments or societies in the pursuit of goals that are generally political, religious, or ideological.” Within this definition, there are three key elements—violence, fear, and intimidation—and each element produces terror in its victims. The FBI uses this: "Terrorism is the unlawful use of force and violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives." The U.S. Department of State defines terrorism to be "premeditated politically-motivated violence perpetrated against non-combatant targets by sub-national groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience".

    Outside the United States Government, there are greater variations in what features of terrorism are emphasized in definitions..."< continue.-> Terrorism Research - What is Terrorism?

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    Re: Is the Obama administration doing a good job in protecting us from terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    " Terrorism is not new, and even though it has been used since the beginning of recorded history it can be relatively hard to define. Terrorism has been described variously as both a tactic and strategy; a crime and a holy duty; a justified reaction to oppression and an inexcusable abomination. Obviously, a lot depends on whose point of view is being represented. Terrorism has often been an effective tactic for the weaker side in a conflict. As an asymmetric form of conflict, it confers coercive power with many of the advantages of military force at a fraction of the cost. Due to the secretive nature and small size of terrorist organizations, they often offer opponents no clear organization to defend against or to deter.
    And the relevance of this is what?

    Are you seriously saying that a Muslim extremist who deliberately targeted Jews on American soil is not a terrorist attack?

    At least you dropped your "Ticket Counter = Arrival Area" argument.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration doing a good job in protecting us from terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And the relevance of this is what?

    Are you seriously saying that a Muslim extremist who deliberately targeted Jews on American soil is not a terrorist attack?

    At least you dropped your "Ticket Counter = Arrival Area" argument.
    Your the one who brought up ticket counters and waiting areas, not I.
    I had no idea where you were going with that.

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    Re: Is the Obama administration doing a good job in protecting us from terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Your the one who brought up ticket counters and waiting areas, not I.
    I had no idea where you were going with that.
    Actually, I just cited a bunch of terrorist attacks that occurred on US homeland since 2001 to point out to Navy that he was (as usual) wrong.

    You went about claim it didn't count because it was at the international terminal. I then pointed out it happened at a ticket counter which falls outside of the legal justification argument you were giving.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration doing a good job in protecting us from terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Do you have a reading problem............Clinton could have taken Bin Laden in the nineties when Sudan offered him on a silver platter and he was to busy getting BJs in the oval office.
    Bahahaha! "BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE IN US" and "BIN LADEN ATTACK IMMINENT" with details outlining the likelihood of hijacking aircraft and targeting New York City. But I guess the topiary-in-chief was too busy vacationing in Crawford or painting portraits of himself in a bathtub to read his briefings. I mean, we had an FBI informant LIVING with 11 of the hijackers in San Diego for God's sake and you're whining about not taking the Sudan up on an offer known to be bogus as if this mythical scenario of killing Bin Laden would have prevented it?

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    Re: Is the Obama administration doing a good job in protecting us from terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Actually, I just cited a bunch of terrorist attacks that occurred on US homeland since 2001 to point out to Navy that he was (as usual) wrong.

    You went about claim it didn't count because it was at the international terminal. I then pointed out it happened at a ticket counter which falls outside of the legal justification argument you were giving.
    And I was just saying that Navy Pride was actually referring to post 9/11 Al Qaeda terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, not all attacks that have been classified as being terrorism.

    I've also have made the same mistake a couple of years ago on the Politico. I corrected myself and there was no longer an argument, everyone moved on.

    Here's a question, would the mass shooting at the Washington D.C. Navy Yard meet the definition as a terrorist attack under any three of the federal government's definitions ?

    An Associate of Aron Alexis quota Alexis as saying he wasn't happy with what was happening in America today. That's sounds political and would meet the FBI's definition for a terrorist act.

    Personally from what I know, I think Alexis had a major brain housing malfunction.

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    Re: Is the Obama administration doing a good job in protecting us from terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    And I was just saying that Navy Pride was actually referring to post 9/11 Al Qaeda terrorist attacks on U.S. soil, not all attacks that have been classified as being terrorism.
    The problem with that is how do we define Al Qaeda? The organization itself is a loose association of people. We've had Islamic based terrorism in the US since 9/11. The guy who tried to car bomb NYC square. He had some ties. The semantics render this argument pointless.

    Here's a question, would the mass shooting at the Washington D.C. Navy Yard meet the definition as a terrorist attack under any three of the federal government's definitions ?

    An Associate of Aran Alexis quota Alexis as saying he wasn't happy with what was happening in America today. That's sound political and would meet the FBI's definition for a terrorist act.

    Personally from what I know, I think Alexis had a major brain housing malfunction.
    Yes. It would. Merely because you have a mental problem does not mean you cannot terrorize people.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration doing a good job in protecting us from terrorism?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    The problem with that is how do we define Al Qaeda? The organization itself is a loose association of people. We've had Islamic based terrorism in the US since 9/11. The guy who tried to car bomb NYC square. He had some ties. The semantics render this argument pointless.



    Yes. It would. Merely because you have a mental problem does not mean you cannot terrorize people.
    The Al Qaeda today is not the same Al Qaeda back in 2001. It hasn't been for over six years now.
    But todays Al Qaeda has expanded and is operating openly in most countries in the Middle East and Africa where they weren't operating back in 2008. The CIA said they are more dangerous today to America's interest than in 2008 but they are probably not able to launch a terrorist attack from Yemen upon the U.S. But they can with Muslim Americans and immigrants already living in America. And that's what we have been seeing.

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