View Poll Results: How many hours should the base of "Full Time" employment be?

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Thread: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

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    Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    So talking with my dad tonight I actually heard something for the first time. Not sure how I missed it in previous readings of things (to be honest, Obamacare hasn't been one of those things I've been able to generate enough interest to look extremely heavily into, so that may be why) but he told me how one of the things his business is facing is the fact that...at least under the definitions of the ACA....30 hours of work is considered a Full Time Employee.

    What?

    Seriously, for as long as I've lived on this earth...even as a younger child...I understood that standard "Full time" was generally a "40 hour" work week minimum. That's definitely been my understanding for my entire working age. How in the world is it that we're randomly deciding that 30 hours is "full time" employment?

    Do you agree with equating a 30 hour work week to "Full Time" employment?

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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So talking with my dad tonight I actually heard something for the first time. Not sure how I missed it in previous readings of things (to be honest, Obamacare hasn't been one of those things I've been able to generate enough interest to look extremely heavily into, so that may be why) but he told me how one of the things his business is facing is the fact that...at least under the definitions of the ACA....30 hours of work is considered a Full Time Employee.

    What?

    Seriously, for as long as I've lived on this earth...even as a younger child...I understood that standard "Full time" was generally a "40 hour" work week minimum. That's definitely been my understanding for my entire working age. How in the world is it that we're randomly deciding that 30 hours is "full time" employment?

    Do you agree with equating a 30 hour work week to "Full Time" employment?
    I've worked many jobs where the official work week was 37.5 hours (1/2 hour off for lunch).

    If it was set a 40 hrs, most douchey bosses could lower your hours to 39 a week and you wouldn't be full time. By it being 30 hrs a week, it would be obvious what your boss was doing if he cuts you down to 29. Any number is arbitrary, but 30 seems to a safe number.
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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I've worked many jobs where the official work week was 37.5 hours (1/2 hour off for lunch).

    If it was set a 40 hrs, most douchey bosses could lower your hours to 39 a week and you wouldn't be full time. By it being 30 hrs a week, it would be obvious what your boss was doing if he cuts you down to 29. Any number is arbitrary, but 30 seems to a safe number.
    I think consider full time 40 hours, but this is a good point.
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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    Such as nurses who work 3x12.
    Oldtimers love to talk about 35x8.
    My buddies on Nukes work 7x12.
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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So talking with my dad tonight I actually heard something for the first time. Not sure how I missed it in previous readings of things (to be honest, Obamacare hasn't been one of those things I've been able to generate enough interest to look extremely heavily into, so that may be why) but he told me how one of the things his business is facing is the fact that...at least under the definitions of the ACA....30 hours of work is considered a Full Time Employee.

    What?

    Seriously, for as long as I've lived on this earth...even as a younger child...I understood that standard "Full time" was generally a "40 hour" work week minimum. That's definitely been my understanding for my entire working age. How in the world is it that we're randomly deciding that 30 hours is "full time" employment?

    Do you agree with equating a 30 hour work week to "Full Time" employment?
    For someone as detail minded and exacting as you often are, I'm suprised that you don't realize that the 30hour/week standard applies only for PPACA. For all (or at least most) other things (ex overtime compensation), the 40hour/week standard is used.
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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    They didn't make full time thirty hours because they thought it made sense, but because it provided them more ammunition to attack businesses with when they cut people to twenty-nine hours.

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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    Obviously, my brain is deteriorating and I don't trust anything I think I know. But.

    Wasn't 20 hours (or less) part time and then there was a no-mans land between 20 and 40. Whoever came up with that 30 number must have been incredibly stupid or incredibly cruel. 30 hours is enough for an employer to function and 30 is too little to earn a living.

    I've hear the Obama-bashers speculate that the idea is to make 30 the new full time and thus create more jobs, jobs you can't survive on, but jobs you can boast about "creating". I neither love nor hate Obama but frankly, this could be societal manipulation.

    Or do you think this is just an innocent mistake? Nobody thought it through? Or am I missing something?

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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    I voted other because for some jobs it's 40, for some it's less, for some it's more.

    Greece and Hungary are some of the hardest working countries in the world, and their economies are in the toilet.

    France has a 35h work week policy in place and lo and behold, the French are the most efficient workers in the world when you measure what they produce to how much they spent working on it.

    In Pictures: The World's Hardest-Working Countries - Forbes
    Mexico is said to be more hard-working than USA but yet, it's in the toilet too.

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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Or do you think this is just an innocent mistake? Nobody thought it through? Or am I missing something?
    If it was set at 40 you'd have a ton of employers putting their employees at 39 hours. If it was 35 they'd give them 34 hours. If it was 20 they would give them 19 hours.

    The cheap f*****s will always be cheap no matter where you draw the line.
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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    If it was set at 40 you'd have a ton of employers putting their employees at 39 hours. If it was 35 they'd give them 34 hours. If it was 20 they would give them 19 hours.

    The cheap f*****s will always be cheap no matter where you draw the line.
    I suppose but drawing the line at 40 and getting 39 still gives you a full time job. Medical is important and wonderful but working full time is even more important. 30 seems like a poor choice. 20 would break up into 2 at 19 but 29 really screws up the strategy.

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