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Thread: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    I've worked many jobs where the official work week was 37.5 hours (1/2 hour off for lunch).

    If it was set a 40 hrs, most douchey bosses could lower your hours to 39 a week and you wouldn't be full time. By it being 30 hrs a week, it would be obvious what your boss was doing if he cuts you down to 29. Any number is arbitrary, but 30 seems to a safe number.
    Of course it's a safe number, I can feel it too. You were probably working a shift job where they paid you for lunch. Most people work an 8.5 hour day that includes lunch time. But frankly salaried employees don't generally have a certain number of hours, except in some cases a minimum number of hours.

    In Europe 35 hours is full time in many cases.
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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    I would have to say anything between 35-40 hours should be considered full time
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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So talking with my dad tonight I actually heard something for the first time. Not sure how I missed it in previous readings of things (to be honest, Obamacare hasn't been one of those things I've been able to generate enough interest to look extremely heavily into, so that may be why) but he told me how one of the things his business is facing is the fact that...at least under the definitions of the ACA....30 hours of work is considered a Full Time Employee.

    What?

    Seriously, for as long as I've lived on this earth...even as a younger child...I understood that standard "Full time" was generally a "40 hour" work week minimum. That's definitely been my understanding for my entire working age. How in the world is it that we're randomly deciding that 30 hours is "full time" employment?

    Do you agree with equating a 30 hour work week to "Full Time" employment?
    I'd emphasize "keeping up"
    We live in a computerized mechanized world (mostly)..
    At one time , the slave and the working man were one and the same..
    Then , a century ago, this changed to 48 hours as I recall.
    Then 40 hours..
    Change continues...
    Some cannot keep up
    My "working time" is but 10 hours per week, if that much....

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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    A millennia or two from now, the money caused corruption will be a thing of the past.
    The times (without money) will be a hell of a lot better than they are today.
    People would be happy.
    Human progression does take time - measured in an unknown numbers of years..
    Soon, the term "full time" will be a TOTP(thing of the past).
    What we need is more meshing of "boss" and worker.....envison a symphony orchestra.....the flute player and the conductor..
    Who is the "boss" .
    The music listener - of course....aka "the public"
    As to "40" or "30" .
    I remember being able to accomplish as much in 6 hours as 8.
    6 with a 20 minute break as opposed to 8 with an unpaid lunch and two breaks...
    We need innovation....

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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    If it was set at 40 you'd have a ton of employers putting their employees at 39 hours. If it was 35 they'd give them 34 hours. If it was 20 they would give them 19 hours.

    The cheap f*****s will always be cheap no matter where you draw the line.
    As we all well know, the way around this cheapness is to be your own "boss" and own your own business..
    Been there, done that..
    This only works for some of us....
    Rather than drawing lines, even red ones, we should be seeking better solutions.

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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    A millennia or two from now, the money caused corruption will be a thing of the past.
    The times (without money) will be a hell of a lot better than they are today.
    People would be happy.
    Human progression does take time - measured in an unknown numbers of years..
    Soon, the term "full time" will be a TOTP(thing of the past).
    What we need is more meshing of "boss" and worker.....envison a symphony orchestra.....the flute player and the conductor..
    Who is the "boss" .
    The music listener - of course....aka "the public"
    As to "40" or "30" .
    I remember being able to accomplish as much in 6 hours as 8.
    6 with a 20 minute break as opposed to 8 with an unpaid lunch and two breaks...
    We need innovation....
    Money is a physical means of transferring value and resources in a form easily used by all, unlike bartering. Since there will always be things that people value and the need to distribute resources, then money or some analog of it will always exist. As long as there is a disparity in value of input, work performed, there will always be a disparity in the distribution of resources. Equal distribution of resources can only exist if the value of input is ignored. People are inherently competitive and many will never accept less productive people or low value workers to receive the same share of resources as highly productive or valued members of society. As long as there is limited resources and the concept of value, some form of our current system will always exists.

    There will always be "bosses", even in a communal owned system, same as there will always be hourly workers. What you suggest has been tried many times and has always failed.

    And your analogy of an orchestra is false. The conductor and the Flute player are not competing with each other for resources.
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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    As we all well know, the way around this cheapness is to be your own "boss" and own your own business..
    Been there, done that..
    This only works for some of us....
    Rather than drawing lines, even red ones, we should be seeking better solutions.
    The logical solution would be for society not to expend resources on those who take away more than they give to society. That, however, is not the human solution. A system that would meet both some logical form and humane form would be providing the means for people who fail to work and make for themselves what is necessary for a minimum existence.
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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    35 sounds reasonable. I am at work for 40hrs. but paid for 37.5 hrs. We just don't work the 'extra' 30 minutes each day to make up for having to eat.
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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So talking with my dad tonight I actually heard something for the first time. Not sure how I missed it in previous readings of things (to be honest, Obamacare hasn't been one of those things I've been able to generate enough interest to look extremely heavily into, so that may be why) but he told me how one of the things his business is facing is the fact that...at least under the definitions of the ACA....30 hours of work is considered a Full Time Employee.

    What?

    Seriously, for as long as I've lived on this earth...even as a younger child...I understood that standard "Full time" was generally a "40 hour" work week minimum. That's definitely been my understanding for my entire working age. How in the world is it that we're randomly deciding that 30 hours is "full time" employment?

    Do you agree with equating a 30 hour work week to "Full Time" employment?
    Maybe the idea is that thirty hours means you can't really work another part-time job, or it'd be hard to find one to top up ten hours a week.
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    Re: Thirty Hours = "Full Time"?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    Is it really always someone being a "cheap ****"? Small business employs more Americans than Corporations. Not all "Corporations" actually employ people directly, many are Franchised. Most fast food places and several other businesses are franchised. This means that payroll does not come from a company like McDonald's, but from the local franchisee.
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    Have you ever considered that most employers are not mega billionaires resembling the monopoly man but rather normal people trying to keep their business afloat?

    Its insanely ****ing ignorant for you to claim that every company in America can afford to give healthcare to its workers.
    You do realize that this law only applies to business with 50 or more employees? This does not affect your local Mom & Pop, if those still exist.

    Seems to me that if a company can have 50 people on a payroll they can manage to offer even the most minimal health insurance.
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