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Fate of the Republican Party

What's going to happen?

  • Establishment wins

    Votes: 5 15.6%

  • Tea Party wins

    Votes: 6 18.8%

  • Republican Party splits and ceases to be a national party

    Votes: 12 37.5%

  • Other

    Votes: 9 28.1%
  • Total voters
    32
AlabamaPaul said:
If there is no alternative view, you end up with a dictator like system. How many recessions/depressions did we have to endure during that time frame?
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Dissenting points of view don't have to be presented by a codified two-party system.

Even the Communist Party of China has internal rivalries.

As a pragmatic alliance of liberals, moderates, and conservative elements, the Democratic Party is already pretty limp wristed as an organization. The loss of the Republican Party would only make it weaker, as the risk of losing chairs on special committees, or alliances with the nation's social and economic elite, would no longer be an ever present threat that Democratic leadership could use to punish Democrats who stray from the platform.
 
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Republican party isn't going anywhere.
 
While I've not heard of a FOX-type speaking to Dems on how to improve,
it shows how stupid MSNBC/liberals/progress--ives are in trying to help Repubs.
Make no mistake, Repubs are listening.
However, we still have to go through their latest DEFCON 2 game guaranteed to trash another Christmas.
aberrant85 said:
Yes, this is what I think will happen. A two party system has to be mostly balanced along the center, but that's not what we have. We have a Republican party that has basically forced out its moderates, leaving the Democrats to take them up and take the center. Really, Democrats have become a centrist party, when a lot of liberals want it to be liberal. I think Republicans have gone so far right they cannot take the center again. I think they will continue to bleed voters until a new party forms from the center, pushing the Dems back to the left and leaving the Republicans to fade away. It's hopelessly antiquated.
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Morality Games said:
Dissenting points of view don't have to be presented by a codified two-party system.

Even the Communist Party of China has internal rivalries.
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There is nothing codified about our current system (okay except in State ballot laws), but there will always be an opposition which is healthy in the political process...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
There is nothing codified about our current system (okay except in State ballot laws), but there will always be an opposition which is healthy in the political process...
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Not codified in federal law, but different entities act in collusion to ensure that the two-party system persists. Independents and third parties are side lined from debates, for example, which prevents their perspectives and arguments from reaching a broader segment of the population.

In a way it is a far stronger form of codification. Federal laws can be revised, at least in theory, but the right of a media outlet to set rules that exclude third parties and independents from the podium is constitutionally protected.
 
Morality Games said:
Not codified in federal law, but different entities act in collusion to ensure that the two-party system persists. Independents and third parties are side lined from debates, for example, which prevents their perspectives and arguments from reaching a broader segment of the population.
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I'm all for equal access to ballots...
 
AlabamaPaul said:
I'm all for equal access to ballots...
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Access to ballots is irrelevant when the Democratic and Republican Parties have monopolies on the media. Special interest groups don't want to finance or build political alliances with third parties either, because such parties are too small and ideologically specialized to support the special interest group's agendas.
 
Redress said:
I have said this before, any talk of a demise of the republican party is way premature. The democratic party has been declared dead a couple times in the not too distant past and it is still around. Republicans will find a way to make their message resonate with voters, you can count on it. The only question is how long it will take.

Further, your poll does not have the most likely option, which is that the tea party and more oldschool republicans will merge behind a single message and learn to sell that message, and change it as needed. No party is running on the same issues as even 25 years ago, and both parties will adjust to represent what voters want.
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I suspect after McGovern was slaughters many claimed it the end of the Democratic Party - and then after Nixon the end of the Republican Party.

The media and press tends to jump back and forth between which party they tell people to vote for.
 
NIMBY said:
It must be late?
You wouldn't answer a straight question whether you favored these or not!
It was certainly explicit.
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linc, your questions are rarely specific...
 
joko104 said:
I suspect after McGovern was slaughters many claimed it the end of the Democratic Party - and then after Nixon the end of the Republican Party.

The media and press tends to jump back and forth between which party they tell people to vote for.
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Those historical situations don't compare with what is happening now. The Republicans didn't have to engage in radical gerrymandering and voter ID Laws in order to preserve their regional dominance because Nixon resigned. The demographics that supported them in those regions continued to support them out of ideological and geographic convenience.

Being Democratic or Republican was different during the pre-globalism, Cold War period.

The Democratic and Republican Parties are perishable human-made institutions, not interstellar bodies caught in fixed astronomical orbits.
 
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From 1932 to 1982, Repubs had the House for 2 out of 50 years, during IKE. Same for the Senate.
Including zero years during Nixon, Ford and Carter.
joko104 said:
I suspect after McGovern was slaughters many claimed it the end of the Democratic Party - and then after Nixon the end of the Republican Party.

The media and press tends to jump back and forth between which party they tell people to vote for.
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I find it humorously self serving when people who aren't of the GOP give advice on what the GOP needs to do or cries wolf over their demise...
 
Morality Games said:
Those historical situations don't compare with what is happening now. The Republicans didn't have to engage in radical gerrymandering and voter ID Laws in order to preserve their regional dominance
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And you are spot on to point this out.
Want to see the Repubs froth at the mouth. Bring up Voter Wrongs Acts.
Now tied for first with defunding laws as our top issue, IMO.
The reason why Hagan is still in trouble in NC, though her polling is higher than TBA.
 
aberrant85 said:
Yes, this is what I think will happen. A two party system has to be mostly balanced along the center, but that's not what we have. We have a Republican party that has basically forced out its moderates, leaving the Democrats to take them up and take the center. Really, Democrats have become a centrist party, when a lot of liberals want it to be liberal. I think Republicans have gone so far right they cannot take the center again. I think they will continue to bleed voters until a new party forms from the center, pushing the Dems back to the left and leaving the Republicans to fade away. It's hopelessly antiquated.
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There seems to be infight in the Republican party between the old and the new. The freshman congress is a lot more aggressive than anything the old guard are used to....especially Boehner.

I think Huntsman might be trying to start up a new party of moderates.....I just hope they come up with a better name...something with a little more umph to it....

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A month after dropping out of the race, Huntsman offered the opinion that there was a need for a third party in America. In an appearance on the MSNBC talk show Morning Joe on February 23, 2012, Huntsman said that a third party would be a healthy development in the presidential election process.

I think we’re going to have problems politically until we get some sort of third party movement or some voice out there that can put forth new ideas. Someone’s going to step up at some point and say we’ve had enough of this. The real issues are not being addressed and it’s time that we put forward an alternative vision, a bold thinking. We might not win, but we can certainly influence the debate.​
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Jon Huntsman, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


“We’re going to have problems politically until we get some sort of third party movement or some kind of alternative voice out there that can put forward new ideas," Huntsman said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe."

“Someone’s going to step up at some point and say we’ve had enough of this,” he said. “The real issues are not being addressed, and it’s time that we put forward an alternative vision, a bold thinking. We might not win, but we can certainly influence the debate.”
He suggested the leader of an alternative movement could be “a whole bunch of Americans out there that can’t find a place politically." ...
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Huntsman promotes 'third party movement' despite endorsing Romney - First Read


Huntsman, who lost his 2012 presidential campaign, launched the Red Rock PAC in May to help push the ideas he raised during his bid and to help like-minded Republican candidates across the country. Huntsman previously discounted the idea that he’s ramping up for a 2016 run but setting up a PAC is common among potential candidates......read
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Huntsman PAC raises $100,000, spends half starting up | The Salt Lake Tribune


If Huntsman decides to run in 2016...I highly doubt it will be as a Republican. Which means he could probably give both parties a run for the money because he could literally gut the center out of both them.
 
Morality Games said:
Not codified in federal law, but different entities act in collusion to ensure that the two-party system persists. Independents and third parties are side lined from debates, for example, which prevents their perspectives and arguments from reaching a broader segment of the population.

In a way it is a far stronger form of codification. Federal laws can be revised, at least in theory, but the right of a media outlet to set rules that exclude third parties and independents from the podium is constitutionally protected.
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The rules are for the benefit of those who make them. Playing by them serves only to put the third party outsiders at a distinct disadvantage. Third parties must realize that if they wish to be successful and make an impact they must not play by the rules but play by their own. They must think and act like a guerilla because that is essentially what they are. They need to realize they must defy convention and become unique and fight their stronger enemies asymmetrically utilizing unique and unconventional methods.
 
Morality Games said:
Access to ballots is irrelevant when the Democratic and Republican Parties have monopolies on the media. Special interest groups don't want to finance or build political alliances with third parties either, because such parties are too small and ideologically specialized to support the special interest group's agendas.
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Libertarians used to be a small ideologially group. But with the Koch's money they seem to be turning the Republican party into libertarians. Moderate conservative Republicans better start organizaning or they're the ones that will become ideologially obsolete in their own party.
 
Moot said:
Libertarians used to be a small ideologially group. But with the Koch's money they seem to be turning the Republican party into libertarians. Moderate conservative Republicans better start organizaning or they're the ones that will become ideologially obsolete in their own party.
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A moderate republican is an establishment big government republican, otherwise known as democrat light. This fight has been going on since before Goldwater ran for president. Except the moderates were called bluebloods. Same twits different names.
 
PirateMk1 said:
A moderate republican is an establishment big government republican, otherwise known as democrat light. This fight has been going on since before Goldwater ran for president. Except the moderates were called bluebloods. Same twits different names.
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This infighting seems different. Theres a new breed of Republican on the rise and they ain't pretty. I think the moderate establishment are finally starting to see the writting on the wall and starting to fight back. That could get ugly and destroy the GOPs chances of taking the presidency in 2016.
 
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