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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Your thoughts please.



    Right now what Obama wants probably will not be the deciding factor.

    It's what the losers on the GOP's far right want that will determine what happens.

    I hope that they force a government shutdown.

    They will not like the results.




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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    No one is "constantly screaming"..you exaggerate wildly. You hate to hear about Alinsky tactics from the "right" but you don't mind them if the "left" uses them.
    You don't deny that the "left" and specifically your "community organizer" president overtly uses those tactics, do you?
    I couldn't care less if anyone uses them. I don't "hate to hear" about them, I simply recognize the hypocrisy in the right whining about them on one hand while using them in spades on the other

    BTW, he's your president too.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    obama purposely and overtly uses the Cloward - Pivens technique to bring about the "Change" he promised a few years ago. Only the true believers don't (want to) see through it.
    I'm well aware of what the C-P strategy is. I also think it's a load of hooey that anyone is purposely trying to crash the system by making more poor people.


    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    Part of your problem is that you view people as an extension of a political party and you think one side is "better" than the other.
    That's part of MY problem? Ah yes, all those wonderful things I've said about the Democrats, such as ... uh ...

    I do think one side is "better" than the other, in the sense that I feel ointment is better than suppository. Either way, you still have hemorrhoids.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    Your vilification of the right shows which way your bias leans.
    I never claimed to be unbiased. I think the Democrats are rotten; I think the Republicans are worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    You've been well indoctrinated, comrade.
    Adorable. Anyone who doesn't toe the conservative line is simply "indoctrinated." If I had a nickel for every time a conservative-leaning poster tried to throw that one at me on the internet, I would have lots of nickels.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    yeah....no bias there, huh?
    Again, I never claimed to be unbiased. And neither can you, in any serious way.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I couldn't care less if anyone uses them. I don't "hate to hear" about them, I simply recognize the hypocrisy in the right whining about them on one hand while using them in spades on the other
    Do you deny that the "left" is using alinsky tactics?
    Your bias is showing again, by the way. "whining"

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    BTW, he's your president too.
    He's not on my side and I'm not on his.




    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I'm well aware of what the C-P strategy is. I also think it's a load of hooey that anyone is purposely trying to crash the system by making more poor people.
    Then you don't really understand C-P at all.
    It isn't about "making people poor". It has nothing to do with "making people poor". It's about purposely overwhelming the system and collapsing it under its' own weight.




    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    That's part of MY problem? Ah yes, all those wonderful things I've said about the Democrats, such as ... uh ...
    It isn't how much you praise the democrats..it's the constant vilification of the other side that exposes you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I do think one side is "better" than the other, in the sense that I feel ointment is better than suppository. Either way, you still have hemorrhoids.
    Sure..sure.....whatever...I've yet to see a criticism of the "left", though..however you DO spend a lot of time criticizing and disparaging the "right", I notice.




    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I never claimed to be unbiased. I think the Democrats are rotten; I think the Republicans are worse.
    Oh?..Ok..Name 3 things obama has done that you disagree with and find "rotten".



    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Adorable. Anyone who doesn't toe the conservative line is simply "indoctrinated."
    No one said anything of the sort. You're trying to be evasive...but again your bias leaks through as you can only bring yourself to criticize "conservatives".

    One who refuses to find fault with the party they support is "indoctrinated."





    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Again, I never claimed to be unbiased. And neither can you, in any serious way.
    You're making things up again. I certainly can claim to be unbiased and my post history will show that I despise both parties and all politicians equally.
    You'll never see me say something juvenile like "teabagger"..or "left wing nut"... I've been around since LBJ and I've heard every lie and seen every deception the govt has perpetrated since then.

    Usually it's the young, idealistic and naive who also happen to have very little real life experience that are the most hyper partisans and who indulge in all that name calling and willingly swallow all the divisive govt propaganda. rah! go team! LMAO

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    It isn't how much you praise the democrats..it's the constant vilification of the other side that exposes you.
    Exposes me as what?

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    Oh?..Ok..Name 3 things obama has done that you disagree with and find "rotten".
    1. He didn't concentrate enough on the economy in his first few years. While things were still in the crapper, he was off fighting the culture war.
    2. I utterly detest the seemingly indiscriminate drone strikes, escalation of the war in Afghanistan, the NSA's snooping around all our stuff, and the idea that we can zap American citizens without due process. While a lot of this was shepherded through by Congress, I find Obama's relative silence on these issues to be deafening. "Just trust me" doesn't fly.
    3. While I certainly don't buy the far-right line that he was trying to incite a race war, I rather would have liked to see Obama measure his words better (or perhaps just shut up outside of a short statement) regarding such a hot-button case as Zimmerman/Martin.

    Way to shift the argument from "Democrats" to "Obama," though.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    No one said anything of the sort. You're trying to be evasive...but again your bias leaks through as you can only bring yourself to criticize "conservatives".

    One who refuses to find fault with the party they support is "indoctrinated."
    What party do I support? Am I a registered Democrat? Did I vote for Obama in 2012?

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    You're making things up again. I certainly can claim to be unbiased and my post history will show that I despise both parties and all politicians equally.
    You'll never see me say something juvenile like "teabagger"..or "left wing nut"... I've been around since LBJ and I've heard every lie and seen every deception the govt has perpetrated since then.
    I'm thrilled for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    Usually it's the young, idealistic and naive who also happen to have very little real life experience that are the most hyper partisans and who indulge in all that name calling and willingly swallow all the divisive govt propaganda. rah! go team! LMAO
    All I see here is a lot of supposition, based on a few days' worth of forum posts, in your desperate attempt to paint me as a Democratic Party bootlicker. Oh, and also someone who's "young, idealistic and naive" with "very little real life experience" who "swallows government propaganda." All while knowing precisely nothing about me. Kudos.

    Am I biased against conservatives? YES. I think the American right wing is one of the most toxic ideological movements in my lifetime. Certainly doesn't mean I think everything the left, such as it is in this country, does is peaches and cream. But I see very little from the right that isn't deserving of scorn. So if that makes me "biased," I'll happily wear that label. I'll take that over constant appeals to the center and pulling stuff out of my ass to burnish some mythical above-the-fray moderate credentials. In the meantime, jump off your little judgmental horse and stop simply assuming things about people when you have no idea what you're talking about.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Your thoughts please.
    I do not think anyone in office wants a government shut down. Obama and the democrats in office just do not want to get rid of Obamacare and most of the republicans in office allegedly(I say allegedly because many republicans supported individual mandates way before Obama wanted them) do want to get rid of Obamacare. Each side is supposedly catering to their constituents. I say supposedly because I suspect that once the republicans have the white house and a majority in both houses or republicans get enough in the senate to override Obama's veto they will pretty much cease any attempts to repeal Obamacare, just like they did the Brady bill.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "You types"? Cute.

    I suppose you won't mind then, if we decide to dismiss your sources offhandedly, without at least considering what they actually have to say.
    Like that one, do ya?

    Mind? Judging by some of the posts I've been reading I thought it was a given...

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Exposes me as what?
    Biased





    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Way to shift the argument from "Democrats" to "Obama," though.
    Is obama a democrat?



    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What party do I support? Am I a registered Democrat? Did I vote for Obama in 2012?
    Don't know, don't care. Read the post again. None of that was mentioned.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I'm thrilled for you.
    Experience tends to trump ideology.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    All I see here is a lot of supposition, based on a few days' worth of forum posts, in your desperate attempt to paint me as a Democratic Party bootlicker. Oh, and also someone who's "young, idealistic and naive" with "very little real life experience" who "swallows government propaganda." All while knowing precisely nothing about me. Kudos.
    I'm not "desperately attempting" to do anything. You exaggerate...again.
    No one called you "young, idealistic and naive" or "very little real life experience" "swallows government propaganda.". If you read the post, you'll see those are my definitions of hyperpartisans. You may be all of those things...but your knee jerk reaction to become defensive throughout this conversation is noted. Maybe I hit a nerve.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Am I biased against conservatives? YES. I think the American right wing is one of the most toxic ideological movements in my lifetime. Certainly doesn't mean I think everything the left, such as it is in this country, does is peaches and cream. But I see very little from the right that isn't deserving of scorn. So if that makes me "biased," I'll happily wear that label. I'll take that over constant appeals to the center and pulling stuff out of my ass to burnish some mythical above-the-fray moderate credentials.
    I already knew you were biased anyway. No big deal.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    In the meantime, jump off your little judgmental horse and stop simply assuming things about people when you have no idea what you're talking about.
    I'm not judging anything. You are exaggerating...again...your tendency to leap to conclusions and become defensive is noted...again.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Are you quite done?

    If "biased" is all you've got, well, I guess we're done here. Oh, and being older doesn't necessarily make you right.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Back on topic ...

    Here's an interesting take on the defund-or-shutdown battle:
    Cruz Turns Obamacare Defunding Plan to Fiasco -- Daily Intelligencer

    (Simply an opinion piece, not mine, just adding to the debate)
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Are you quite done?
    Yes..I believe I've made my point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    If "biased" is all you've got, well, I guess we're done here.
    I don't "have" anything. I already knew you were biased. You show it in every post. No secret...I did learn that you get very defensive when you get called on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Oh, and being older doesn't necessarily make you right.
    I never said it did. What I said was experience tends to trump ideology...and that's true.

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