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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I laughed so hard on reading it the cat jumped up off my lap. I mean there is such a thing as rational disagreement, but when your whole argument is that the other guy is a mouth breather and bad, you just look silly.
    But that's always the argument. Oh, and also that he's black. Or Muslim. Or Marxist. Or all three.
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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You do know what branch of government would shut down the government, right?
    That would be the House since it controls the money.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    Soon. The Senate will, of course, strip the ludicrous Obamacare amendment from the bill and send it back to the idiots running the House of Representatives. Then we can start the process all over again. I see the demagogue Cruz has now admitted he can't win this fight and is a 'surrender monkey' on the issue. Hilarious. Way to win friends among Conservatives in the House, Ted!
    Liberals are the only ones I ever see talking about Cruz. I really have no idea what he even looks like or who he represents or why leftists are so obsessed with him. I guess they need a new paper tiger to slay to avoid the realities that their guy is a quacky lame duck

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    The source is without substance, that was the point. Therefore (oh wonderful therefore!) the source was all there was to attack.

    Critical thinking always comes a distant second with you types...
    "You types"? Cute.

    I suppose you won't mind then, if we decide to dismiss your sources offhandedly, without at least considering what they actually have to say.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Liberals are the only ones I ever see talking about Cruz. I really have no idea what he even looks like or who he represents or why leftists are so obsessed with him. I guess they need a new paper tiger to slay to avoid the realities that their guy is a quacky lame duck
    WHARRGARBLE LEFTISTS WHARRGARBLE

    Your lack of awareness notwithstanding, there's lots of people, and not just "leftists," who are talking about Ted Cruz.

    Ted Cruz vs. House Republicans
    Peter King Says Ted Cruz Should 'Keep Quiet'
    Sen. Ted Cruz Has House Republicans Seeing Red : It's All Politics : NPR
    Ted Cruz Is a Fraud, Says Fellow Republican
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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    I see...You don't mind dishonesty, manipulation and deception as long as it's "your" guy doing it to you.
    1. You're missing my point entirely, but congratulations.

    Right-wingers constantly scream "ALINSKY TACTICS" regarding liberals, when using those same tactics themselves. It's weapons-grade hypocrisy, puked onto the internet without the slightest hint of irony.

    2. Obama's not "my" guy. I know it's common thought on the right that anyone who isn't screaming "IMPEACH" is a mindless automaton, but bear with me. I think he's a middling president at best. But some of the stuff he gets attacked with from the right is just laughably stupid.
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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Every Navy Pride thread is like an infestation of retarded posts. You can almost guess how it'll go.

    Liberals: Republicans bad!
    Conservatives: Democrats bad!
    "Independent" (Conservative posters): Saul Alinski bad!
    "Independent" (Liberal posters): Bush is bad my niggas!
    White poster pretending to be black: Don't mention Obama! Libbos will call you racist!
    Navy Pride: ...

    Mods need to stop ****ing off already and ban that troll for 7 years of worthless posts, suggesting he raped women, blatantly racist nonsense and an overall level of retardation that brings the general quality of posters down.
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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Liberals are the only ones I ever see talking about Cruz. I really have no idea what he even looks like or who he represents or why leftists are so obsessed with him. I guess they need a new paper tiger to slay to avoid the realities that their guy is a quacky lame duck
    That's a joke post, right? Cruz is now the new Sarah Palin - the darling of the Teapublicans and right wing loons everywhere. You don't have to believe what I say about him. Just check out what conservative house republicans are saying about him. The Right Wing Zealots in the Republican Party are just a gift that keeps on giving!
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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    WHARRGARBLE LEFTISTS WHARRGARBLE

    Your lack of awareness notwithstanding, there's lots of people, and not just "leftists," who are talking about Ted Cruz.

    Ted Cruz vs. House Republicans
    Peter King Says Ted Cruz Should 'Keep Quiet'
    Sen. Ted Cruz Has House Republicans Seeing Red : It's All Politics : NPR
    Ted Cruz Is a Fraud, Says Fellow Republican
    I'm sure the answer will be that all these guys are RINOS. Cannibalism in the Republican party is so much fun!
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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    1. You're missing my point entirely, but congratulations.
    Well, explain it to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Right-wingers constantly scream "ALINSKY TACTICS" regarding liberals, when using those same tactics themselves. It's weapons-grade hypocrisy, puked onto the internet without the slightest hint of irony.
    No one is "constantly screaming"..you exaggerate wildly. You hate to hear about Alinsky tactics from the "right" but you don't mind them if the "left" uses them.
    You don't deny that the "left" and specifically your "community organizer" president overtly uses those tactics, do you?


    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    2. Obama's not "my" guy. I know it's common thought on the right that anyone who isn't screaming "IMPEACH" is a mindless automaton, but bear with me. I think he's a middling president at best. But some of the stuff he gets attacked with from the right is just laughably stupid.
    obama purposely and overtly uses the Cloward - Pivens technique to bring about the "Change" he promised a few years ago. Only the true believers don't (want to) see through it.

    "The strategy entails manufacturing a crisis and then implementing a solution that actually makes the crisis much worse and moreover, makes implementation of a real solution to the crisis next to impossible; and every solution to the crisis must invariably entail purposefully overwhelming federal government programs in an effort to cause those programs and the federal government to implode under its own weight."

    Remember what Rahm said. "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."


    http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/A...rategypoe.html

    First proposed in 1966 and named after Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and Frances Fox Piven, the Cloward-Piven Strategy seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.

    Inspired by the August 1965 riots in the black district of Watts in Los Angeles (which erupted after police had used batons to subdue an African American man suspected of drunk driving), Cloward and Piven published an article titled "The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty" in the May 2, 1966 issue of The Nation. Following its publication, The Nation sold an unprecedented 30,000 reprints. Activists were abuzz over the so-called "crisis strategy" or "Cloward-Piven Strategy," as it came to be called. Many were eager to put it into effect.

    In their 1966 article, Cloward and Piven charged that the ruling classes used welfare to weaken the poor; that by providing a social safety net, the rich doused the fires of rebellion. Poor people can advance only when "the rest of society is afraid of them," Cloward told The New York Times on September 27, 1970. Rather than placating the poor with government hand-outs, wrote Cloward and Piven, activists should work to sabotage and destroy the welfare system; the collapse of the welfare state would ignite a political and financial crisis that would rock the nation; poor people would rise in revolt; only then would "the rest of society" accept their demands.

    The key to sparking this rebellion would be to expose the inadequacy of the welfare state. Cloward-Piven's early promoters cited radical organizer Saul Alinsky as their inspiration. "Make the enemy live up to their (sic) own book of rules," Alinsky wrote in his 1971 book Rules for Radicals. When pressed to honor every word of every law and statute, every Judeo-Christian moral tenet, and every implicit promise of the liberal social contract, human agencies inevitably fall short. The system's failure to "live up" to its rule book can then be used to discredit it altogether, and to replace the capitalist "rule book" with a socialist one.




    Part of your problem is that you view people as an extension of a political party and you think one side is "better" than the other. Your vilification of the right shows which way your bias leans. You've been well indoctrinated, comrade.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Right-wingers constantly scream...

    weapons-grade hypocrisy...

    puked onto the internet...

    I know it's common thought on the right that anyone who isn't screaming "IMPEACH" is a mindless automaton...

    attacked with from the right...

    laughably stupid...
    yeah....no bias there, huh?

    EDIT;
    Seriously..look up any link you want with reference to cloward - pivens and then consider the things obama is doing/has done and tell me dear leader obama isn't using it as his playbook.

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