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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It's the ad hominem dance!


    Me insulting a dishrag publication not worthy of soaking up my dog's piddle is an ad hom now, eh? As to the person, I just gave some friendly advice..what? No good?

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    Obama would welcome a government shutdown, but not for reasons that have anything to do with budgets or healthcare.

    Obama's role is to disrupt the progress of the United States and to create as much social order breakdown as possible. Obama has so much hatred for this county and the historical American culture that anything resulting in dissention, confusion and ultimately great harm is viewed as a positive.

    Political maneuvering as we have seen with past differences between presidents and congress is always subordinated to Obama's personal agenda of hatred and destruction, coupled with angering traditionalists and white people in general.

    That is why there seems to be so little consistency and reason in his actions both here and worldwide.
    The "community organizer" knows exactly what he's doing...
    Textbook Cloward-Pivens strategy.

    "manufacturing a crisis and then implementing a "solution" that actually makes the crisis much worse and moreover, makes implementation of a real solution to the crisis next to impossible;
    ...and every solution to the crisis must invariably entail purposefully overwhelming federal government programs in an effort to cause those programs and the federal government to implode under its own weight"


    with a little Alinsky added;

    Always remember the first rule of power tactics: Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.

    The second rule is: Never go outside the experience of your people.

    …The third rule is: Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

    …the fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.

    …the fourth rule carries within it the fifth rule: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.

    …the sixth rule is: A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.

    …the seventh rule is: A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.

    …the eighth rule: Keep the pressure on.

    …the ninth rule: The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

    The tenth rule: The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.

    …The eleventh rule is: If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.

    …The twelfth rule: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.

    …The thirteenth rule: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. — Rules for Radicals

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post


    Me insulting a dishrag publication not worthy of soaking up my dog's piddle is an ad hom now, eh? As to the person, I just gave some friendly advice..what? No good?
    It absolutely is an ad hominem. Attacking the source, rather than the substance, is textbook ad hominem. Congratulations, You Fail Logic Forever.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    The "community organizer" knows exactly what he's doing...
    Textbook Cloward-Pivens strategy.

    "manufacturing a crisis and then implementing a "solution" that actually makes the crisis much worse and moreover, makes implementation of a real solution to the crisis next to impossible;
    ...and every solution to the crisis must invariably entail purposefully overwhelming federal government programs in an effort to cause those programs and the federal government to implode under its own weight"


    with a little Alinsky added;

    Always remember the first rule of power tactics: Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have.

    The second rule is: Never go outside the experience of your people.

    …The third rule is: Wherever possible go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

    …the fourth rule is: Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.

    …the fourth rule carries within it the fifth rule: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.

    …the sixth rule is: A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.

    …the seventh rule is: A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.

    …the eighth rule: Keep the pressure on.

    …the ninth rule: The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.

    The tenth rule: The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.

    …The eleventh rule is: If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will break through into its counterside.

    …The twelfth rule: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.

    …The thirteenth rule: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. — Rules for Radicals
    I wonder when the right is going to get sick of flogging Saul Alinsky's 40-years-dead corpse, especially when conservatives use his "Tactics" just as much as anyone else.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I wonder when the right is going to get sick of flogging Saul Alinsky's 40-years-dead corpse, especially when conservatives use his "Tactics" just as much as anyone else.
    I see...You don't mind dishonesty, manipulation and deception as long as it's "your" guy doing it to you.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I wonder when the right is going to get sick of flogging Saul Alinsky's 40-years-dead corpse, especially when conservatives use his "Tactics" just as much as anyone else.
    when the left stop pulling the race card blaming bush and the bush did it also for other words never

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    It absolutely is an ad hominem. Attacking the source, rather than the substance, is textbook ad hominem. Congratulations, You Fail Logic Forever.
    The source is without substance, that was the point. Therefore (oh wonderful therefore!) the source was all there was to attack.

    Critical thinking always comes a distant second with you types...

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    Luck won't have anything to do with it. Ted is beating on his war drums right now--telling people he is going to get rid of the IRS; however, what he doesn't tell those Tea Party aficionados is how he is going to do it and how he is going to keep the government going without cash. Meanwhile just him beating on his war drums should get him in the Primary and drag Rand Paul in to the fray.
    Cruz is just the latest in a long line of right wing demagogic blowhards who pander to fear among the paranoid.
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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    when the left stop pulling the race card blaming bush and the bush did it also for other words never
    By what stretch of right wing logic is blaming Bush 'playing the race card'? I suggest this is another one of those catch phrases you picked up from Sewer Radio or Faux News, and having no clue what it meant, decided to use it anyway. In this case totally inappropriately.
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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Isn't the Congress i.e. the House the only chamber that has passed something so far? When are those adults in the Senate going to get on the ball and do something adult-like?
    Soon. The Senate will, of course, strip the ludicrous Obamacare amendment from the bill and send it back to the idiots running the House of Representatives. Then we can start the process all over again. I see the demagogue Cruz has now admitted he can't win this fight and is a 'surrender monkey' on the issue. Hilarious. Way to win friends among Conservatives in the House, Ted!
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