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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    I don't "have" anything. I already knew you were biased. You show it in every post. No secret...I did learn that you get very defensive when you get called on it.
    Yes, I got so defensive that I ... acknowledged that yes, I'm "biased." Of course, "bias" here, while you may attempt to use that to marginalize my positions, is nothing new. Everyone is "biased" to some extent. Even you.
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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yes, I got so defensive that I ... acknowledged that yes, I'm "biased." Of course, "bias" here, while you may attempt to use that to marginalize my positions, is nothing new.
    You got defensive and claimed things that I never said. Don't try to move the goal posts now. Anyone bored enough to have actually read our conversation can see the facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Everyone is "biased" to some extent. Even you.
    Well, we've sure come a long way from you pretending to be outraged because the "right" recognizes the alinsky tactics and cloward pivens strategy that obama employs...now we're talking about me being biased...
    Once again I'll tell you I'm not biased toward or against either side. A lie is a lie...corruption is corruption. I won't cover for either side...like some people do...I've been around long enough to have seen how government works and know the truth about politicians.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    You got defensive and claimed things that I never said. Don't try to move the goal posts now. Anyone bored enough to have actually read our conversation can see the facts.
    No I did not ... you're the one who backtracked and claimed you weren't really talking about me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    Well, we've sure come a long way from you pretending to be outraged because the "right" recognizes the alinsky tactics and cloward pivens strategy that obama employs...now we're talking about me being biased...
    Apparently age hasn't helped your reading comprehension ability. I was never "outraged because the 'right' recognizes the alinsky tactics." I was just simply pointing out the hypocrisy of decrying them on one hand while using them on the other. As for C-P, you can claim it all you want. I think that's a crock.

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    Once again I'll tell you I'm not biased toward or against either side. A lie is a lie...corruption is corruption. I won't cover for either side...like some people do...I've been around long enough to have seen how government works and know the truth about politicians.
    Your Valiant Centrism is duly noted. Are you done soapboxing yet, and would you mind getting back on topic?
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    The current Republicans have the reputation as the party of "NO!" They don't have a reputation that can be damaged by a shutdown. They have opted to kowtow to their TeaBaggers to their detriment. I repeat, "a flock of birds, a herd of cows, a gaggle of geese, and a Congress of baboons." Some things don't change.
    This is truly idiotic. The House of reps has passed budgets each year and sent them to the senate. Each year the Democratic controlled senate refuses to take them up for a vote and they furthermore fail to produce their own. Instead they opt for continuing resolutions. So how is it that the only body that has a large tea party presence is able to pass budgets if they are so problematic? Just amazing at the lack of thought in your post.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    No I did not ... you're the one who backtracked and claimed you weren't really talking about me.

    PARAPHRASE: "Young, naive hyperpartisans ... oh, wait, I didn't mean you!"
    You're making things up again. I said what I said...You added all the rest.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Apparently age hasn't helped your reading comprehension ability. I was never "outraged because the 'right' recognizes the alinsky tactics." I was just simply pointing out the hypocrisy of decrying them on one hand while using them on the other.
    The left uses them. At least you won't deny that...the right calls them out for it and due to your bias against the right (which you've already admitted) you claim hypocrisy.
    It looks like you may be beginning to understanding how politics works...lose the bias and look at things objectively without cheering for one side or the other and you might be on to something.
    ...and save the ad homs about age and reading comprehension...that stuff is too juvenile

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    As for C-P, you can claim it all you want. I think that's a crock.
    Reality says you're wrong. obama is doing exactly that...You acknowledge the left uses the alinsky model and richard cloward and frances pivens cite alinsky as their inspiration, but ok....sure...have it your way. Believe what you want
    Speaking of cloward pivens again...did you ever find out exactly what the process is? You showed some confusion as to exactly how it works earlier..before you changed the subject...again....see..it has nothing to do with what you claimed earlier, does it?





    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Your Valiant Centrism is duly noted. Are you done soapboxing yet, and would you mind getting back on topic?
    hahahaha..ok...we can "get back on topic" if you like. I'll accept your concession.

    Most people just say "You were right, nice debate".
    Last edited by P. Kersey; 09-21-13 at 06:10 PM.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Reid is going to attempt to strip it with only a majority vote.
    You are probably right, but that will leave it to go to conference. At that point the house can refuse negotiation, gov would shutdown for only a few hours before the house starts sending department spending authorizations up to the senate one by one and dare the senate to allow the shut down of each individual department to continue. who wins that battle?

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by P. Kersey View Post
    hahahaha..ok...we can "get back on topic" if you like. I'll accept your concession.

    Most people just say "You were right, nice debate".
    I'm not conceding anything; you're just starting to bore me.

    As far as Cloward-Pivens goes, it was an intentional oversimplification.

    Are you done whoring for attention now?
    Last edited by Kobie; 09-21-13 at 06:36 PM.
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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I'm not conceding anything; you're just starting to bore me.
    Right..sure..but..but...don't you want to stay "on topic"? LMAO...

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    As far as Cloward-Pivens goes, it was an intentional oversimplification.
    So you agree he is using those tactics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Are you done whoring for attention now?
    hahahahahaha...."Whoring for attention" = exposing and embarrassing you...Yeah..LMAO..I'm done. I made my points very well, I think.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    We're done here.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Does Obama want a government shut down?

    Anyone who thinks he does not want a shutdown is a left wing partisan.
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