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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    "eunuchs from birth"? How are we to interpret that phrase?

    "the poor will be with you always, but I am only here for a little while". Yes, that's true, and the poor are still with us, and no doubt always will be. Living in luxury while ignoring the poor was not what Christ was all about, and the new Pope seems to be not only making mouth noises about it, but also being an example.

    Go thy way and sin no more. That must have come to a surprise to people who thought that judging and then carrying out a punishment was the best course of action.
    Marriage and children were very important in the Jewish culture, still are. A eunuch from birth would not be attracted to women and would not be able to do those things.
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Every single one of your examples said absolutely nothing to suggest that you should force your views on anybody, much less have the government enforce your views.

    If you want to think they're sinners, then you can do that, but you can't use the government to force them out of that sin.
    Au contraire. The government forces people out of their sin every day and puts them in prison for it. Every criminal law we have is designed to force someone out of their sin.
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Marriage and children were very important in the Jewish culture, still are. A eunuch from birth would not be attracted to women and would not be able to do those things.
    Let's see what the word actually means:

    eu∑nuch noun \ˈyŁ-nək, -nik\
    : a man who has had his sexual organs removed

    Full Definition of EUNUCH

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    : a castrated man placed in charge of a harem or employed as a chamberlain in a palace
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    : a man or boy deprived of the testes or external genitals
    3
    : one that lacks virility or power <political eunuchs>
    So, "eunuch from birth" must mean that the sexual organs were removed en utero, or perhaps it's a reference to #3, someone who lacks power.
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Au contraire. The government forces people out of their sin every day and puts them in prison for it. Every criminal law we have is designed to force someone out of their sin.
    Except that you forget that most of our crimes have a victim. Who is the victim in gay marriage? You?
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Au contraire. The government forces people out of their sin every day and puts them in prison for it. Every criminal law we have is designed to force someone out of their sin.
    If you have ever been witness to a criminal trial, then you are aware that a person is never charged for committing a "sin". They are charged for violating a public law created by moral principles, which are designed to be as unbiased as possible to all those whom the law applies.

    Sin? Really? Sin according to who or what?

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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Actually He said, 'the poor will be with us always.'

    He also said, 'go thy way and sin no more.'

    Reality is that people no longer want to hear what they need to hear. They want to hear what they want to hear. Too bad the church is no longer willing to uphold the teachings of Jesus Christ who said that 'eunuchs from birth' should not marry.
    This is what I've been observing in our society of late regarding Jesus and/or religion.

    People keep saying that God is a loving and forgiving God, and He is... and that Jesus taught love and forgiveness... and He did... but nowhere did either ever say that that meant a free-for-all was now the rule with no consequences for sinful choices.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    This is what I've been observing in our society of late regarding Jesus and/or religion.

    People keep saying that God is a loving and forgiving God, and He is... and that Jesus taught love and forgiveness... and He did... but nowhere did either ever say that that meant a free-for-all was now the rule with no consequences for sinful choices.
    nor did He say that mankind should enforce those consequences.
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    The world still has a Pope?
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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    nor did He say that mankind should enforce those consequences.
    I guess it depends on how you choose to define "enforce".

    I forget exactly where, but I recall the Bible saying that one should try to refrain from associating with known/unrepentant sinners (meaning those who refuse to even consider salvation). That's a form of enforcement.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Best Pope Ever?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I guess it depends on how you choose to define "enforce".

    I forget exactly where, but I recall the Bible saying that one should try to refrain from associating with known/unrepentant sinners (meaning those who refuse to even consider salvation). That's a form of enforcement.
    Really? I don't remember that. Jesus seemed to have no problem associating with sinners.
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